Originally posted by carver9
What's Ironman best strength ft at full power?It was a stalemate. Thor damaging Ironman arms doesn't change this. Hulk punched blood from Thor whereas Thor did NOTHING to Hulk, do you now agree that Hulk curbed hi? Please be consistent.
Lol...if Ironman powering up could've helped him fight Hulk, he would've went that route in the latest Avengers moving instead of creating a Hulk buster armor. Ironman knew he did not stand a chance in his regular armor which is the reason be created something far more powerful with the aid of healing his armor wounds.
Name the most powerful being Thor lightning has taken out.
What does that matter. 100% power is 5 times more powerful than 20% power. In fact 100% power is regular IM at his peak level.
Thor crushed IM's gloves. IM and Thor head butting each other sure didn't look like a stalemate. Bloody nose happened when Thor was trying to reason with Hulk. And no a bloody nose is not as bad as crushed gloves, a ripped suit and a dented helmet.
It's not like IM can just power up to 475% at will. Besides Thor was battling a 475% IM which he had to beat Physically. And he was doing so.
Best Lightning feat is either one shotting multiple Levithians, or ripping the Island apart in Sokovia. Certainly a lot more powerful than IM's repulsors (Hulk Buster or 475% amped). Besides he has more than just Lightning. He has wind, and could whip Hulk up the same way he did Destroyer. Hulk has no defence against such an attack.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Avengers 1: Hulk was so out of control he was attacking his teammates.
Avengers 2: Hulk was so out of control he was attacking his teammates.Exact. Same. Hulk.
Hulk in Avengers 1 didn't know who his team mates were. That's the reason everyone was hesitant about Hulk tranforming in front of them due to his berserk nature. That was the main reason we get the showing when Hulk punched the big bug. It showed that he had complete control and even then, he still attacked his team mate (Thor).
Avengers 2 Hulk was killing people. That's the difference. He was so out of control that he was attacking everything that moved. Thor or Widow wouldn't have had as much time to do anything if they faced Avengers 2 Hulk.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Thor crushed IM's armor when IM tried to punch him. Thor dented IM's helm when IM tried to head butt him. Hulk bloodied Thor's nose by hitting him with a cheap shot when Thor wasn't defending himself and trying to talk to Hulk. I hope you're smart enough to realize the difference between these 2 scenarios.
Again, Ironman armor has been damaged by Captain America. That doesn't spell victory. Also, Thor and Hulk was fighting, there's no such thing as a cheap shot when two people are face to face fighting. Thor used both of his arms to stop Hulk punch. He had no way of stopping Hulk other arm from punching him clean in the face. Hope you understand that and it didn't go over your head.
Originally posted by carver9
Again, Ironman armor has been damaged by Captain America. That doesn't spell victory.
Difference is Captain America was getting battered, so that obviously wasn't a stalemate.
But when Thor and IM are both standing, but ones getting battered and the other one is just getting inconvenienced, then that's obviously no stalemate.
Originally posted by carver9
He had no way of stopping Hulk other arm from punching him clean in the face. Hope you understand that and it didn't go over your head.
He could have just dodged Hulk's punch again instead of trying to restrain him.
Originally posted by carver9
Again, Ironman armor has been damaged by Captain America. That doesn't spell victory. Also, Thor and Hulk was fighting, there's no such thing as a cheap shot when two people are face to face fighting. Thor used both of his arms to stop Hulk punch. He had no way of stopping Hulk other arm from punching him clean in the face. Hope you understand that and it didn't go over your head.
"We are not your enemies Banner. Try to think." - Thor was in the process of saying that line when he got punched in the face. Or are you going to deny this happened?
Originally posted by FrothByte
"We are not your enemies Banner. Try to think." - Thor was in the process of saying that line when he got punched in the face. Or are you going to deny this happened?
Wait a minute. So because Thor spoke the truth, that means he is holding back? Ironman turned his back on Thor during their fight before telling him to go on. Ironman was holding back against Thor as well? If you are in a fight, talking to your opponent does not change the results. Loki talked throughout his fight against Thor, I guess that means he was holding back as well (full of excuses).
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Difference is Captain America was getting battered, so that obviously wasn't a stalemate.But when Thor and IM are both standing, but ones getting battered and the other one is just getting inconvenienced, then that's obviously no stalemate.
He could have just dodged Hulk's punch again instead of trying to restrain him.
Thor and Ironman was even throughout that fight though. No one had a clear advantage.
He couldn't dodge it. Dodging two was impressive, 3 is overstepping. Thor is good but not that good. Going by the showing, he couldn't have dodged said hit and again, there was no dodging that punch.
Originally posted by carver9
Wait a minute. So because Thor spoke the truth, that means he is holding back? Ironman turned his back on Thor during their fight before telling him to go on. Ironman was holding back against Thor as well? If you are in a fight, talking to your opponent does not change the results. Loki talked throughout his fight against Thor, I guess that means he was holding back as well (full of excuses).
Thor and IM weren't teammates when they fought. Loki didn't view Thor as a teammate. Thor, however, considered Banner a teammate and was actively trying to get him NOT to fight.
Give it up already Carver. Hulk hit Thor with a cheapshot. That's fact.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Thor and IM weren't teammates when they fought. Loki didn't view Thor as a teammate. Thor, however, considered Banner a teammate and was actively trying to get him NOT to fight.Give it up already Carver. Hulk hit Thor with a cheapshot. That's fact.
So Thor hitting Hulk with a full fledge hammer uppercut, kneeing him in the face, and then trying to choke him out is a way of getting someone to try not to fight them. What world did you get this from?
Originally posted by carver9
So Thor hitting Hulk with a full fledge hammer uppercut, kneeing him in the face, and then trying to choke him out is a way of getting someone to try not to fight them. What world did you get this from?
Thor hitting Hulk with a Mjolnir uppercut instead of a fully charged hammer strike? Yes, definitely not trying to be lethal.
Thor throwing Mjolnir at Hulk and clearly missing as compared to blasting him with lightning or even just aiming properly at Hulk's head? Yup, not trying to kill Hulk.
Thor going for a choke hold with Mjolnir instead of just smashing Hulk in the face with Mjolnir? Obviously trying to subdue him. Because we all know it's easier and more lethal to smash someone with a hammer than it is to choke them. I mean, it's not like a hammer is a garrote right?
Besides, all these don't change the fact that Hulk punched Thor in the face while Thor was trying to talk Hulk out of fighting.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Thor hitting Hulk with a Mjolnir uppercut instead of a fully charged hammer strike? Yes, definitely not trying to be lethal.Thor throwing Mjolnir at Hulk and clearly missing as compared to blasting him with lightning or even just aiming properly at Hulk's head? Yup, not trying to kill Hulk.
Thor going for a choke hold with Mjolnir instead of just smashing Hulk in the face with Mjolnir? Obviously trying to subdue him. Because we all know it's easier and more lethal to smash someone with a hammer than it is to choke them. I mean, it's not like a hammer is a garrote right?
Besides, all these don't change the fact that Hulk punched Thor in the face while Thor was trying to talk Hulk out of fighting.
So you're saying that every time Thor doesn't charge his lightning he is holding back. Stop talking crazy. We, we'll, I and other known debaters know we don't debate like that. Ironman didn't use half of his tricks against Thor, yep, he was holding back. Let me fill you in on something, a character doesn't use every single ability he have in combat when fighting someone. Example, when Ultron was trashing Thor, he didn't use all of his abilities against him.
Name the most powerful being Thor lightning has dropped, let alone damaged. Then compare their durability to Hulks. Lightning would've did nothing but piss Hulk off. Thor knew this. He threw his hammer at Hulk. That's not a sign of holding back. Hulk dodged and caught Thor hammer which is the reason it didn't hit him. Take those goggles off. Also, he threw Mjlonir at Kurse. He didn't use lightning against Kurse. He didn't use his tornadoes against Kurse. Did Thor hold back against him as well? Stop trolling.
Thor already smashed Hulk in the face with Mjlonir and it did nothing. Choking is a fighting move which Thor thought would work. You're making excuses.
People talk while they are in combat. Doesn't change the outcome of said battle. Loki talked throughout his fight against Thor. Thor hasn't had a fight where his opponent did not monologue against him. With that said, like I thought, Thor is a weakling. Sad that he isn't close to be the power house of the team.
Originally posted by carver9
So you're saying that every time Thor doesn't charge his lightning he is holding back. Stop talking crazy. We, we'll, I and other known debaters know we don't debate like that. Ironman didn't use half of his tricks against Thor, yep, he was holding back. Let me fill you in on something, a character doesn't use every single ability he have in combat when fighting someone. Example, when Ultron was trashing Thor, he didn't use all of his abilities against him.
If IM goes a whole fight without using his Repulsors and without even flying, then he's clearly not gone all out.
Whether that's down to being in a cramped environment, purposefully holding back or just being plain stupid is a different topic altogether.
But what's not deniable is he's not gone all out.
Same when Thor doesn't even once fly, or shoot Lightning. It's his wind abilities that he uses more rarely tbh. But the Lightning he's bringing out regularly.
Originally posted by carver9
So you're saying that every time Thor doesn't charge his lightning he is holding back. Stop talking crazy.
No, I'm saying Thor holds back everytime he tries to talk his opponent to stop fighting, like he did against Hulk and Loki. And his fighting tactics support that fact. Are you telling me that Thor was completely out to kill Hulk even when he specifically tried to talk Hulk out of the fight? Stop talking crazy.
^ Whatever way we look at it (Thor holding back or not) the fact is Thor and Hulk had a purely physical confrontation. That can't be denied. Because there was no flying, no Lightning, no wind. Just the 2 of them physically pummelling each other.
So Hulk really Shoukd have the edge in a fight like that.
But if Thor's doing well in a purely physical fight, then obviously him going all out with all his abilities would put him on another level.