Originally posted by Selenial😬
Tbfh, I think you're all wrong. We can't actually judge Krell's ability as a combatant at all, based on his singular showing.He's supposedly a great tactician, though as Rex and Fives discuss, he has by far the highest casualty numbers of the war. You can't judge his tactical ability off that, because it's likely just that he doesn't care anywhere near as much about Clone lives as most Jedi do. How do you reconcile that with the fact he was so easily baited into an area that got him captured, stunned, and eventually killed?
In the same way, his Clone feat is impressive, but what part of it isn't something pre-prime Savage could not replicate? The Savage that fleed Dooku's ship ended up with similar telekinetic feats, he just lacked the tactical mindset to leave himself surrounded far longer than Krell did, hence getting shot.
So what's to say that Krell's rage towards the clones didn't drive him to limits beyond what he's usually capable of? Even if this is his normal level of power, it doesn't automatically place him in the league of the person who choked out Ventress and Dooku simultaneously in rage, simply because they have a shared feat.
He's just nowhere near fleshed out enough to properly examine. None of you have any way of proving that Krell is capable of more, or less, than the singular feat he has, and that singular feat doesn't put him on the level of the top tiers...
First of all a comparison with Rage!Savage who was driving back Anakin & Kenobi simultaneously is hardly unfavorable, and indeed that sequence too was designed to establish Savage as, as ILS puts it, a "big deal". Fact remains though that under similar circumstances to Krell the likes of Maul and Dooku have found themselves in trouble.
Secondly assuming this was a Rage-amped feat for Krell is rather baseless, that shit is clearly highlighted in TCW and aside from his usual disdain for clones and DS attitude in general there is nothing out of the ordinary in his behaviour here. It being entirely unprecedented for such a state to be induced so easily, certainly not to an extent that he couldn't replicate it in any other situation simply by calling on the dark side.
I'm not going to get into Krell's tactical ability because I agree, we can't glean to much on that front, but I will note he was smart enough to lure the Clones into a favourable environment and use that enviroment to his advantage. PIS aside he seems a pretty intelligent fighter.
Finally you're ignoring his mastery over an extremely unorthodox and tricky fighting style, which is the most compelling proof of his combat ability.
Originally posted by ares834
I always wished they went with that. Sure, his death made sense in terms of the story they were telling. But this show needed another saber wielding baddy and Krell would have served the role admirably.
As did I, would have been cool to see him take a kind of Sora Bulq role. I honestly wish the Dark Acolytes made the cut as a sort of precursor to the Inquisitors.
"You are to obey Pong Krell as though he were me. For all my intents and purposes, he is."
Originally posted by ILS
The four hands give him more dexterity, but he doesn't compensate for the fact he's wielding two extra 1.5 meter blades. He's a big guy. That's a lot of surface area to account for, including the other saberstaff.I seriously don't understand you people. The whole point of Pong Krell's character is that he's meant to be a big deal. How so many managed to miss that is... staggering. If they wanted him to come off as average, he'd have come off as fugging average.
As a PT/Legacy wanker this is my opinion of your stinking bullshit: "If someone is meant to be a big deal in the PT he is indeed a big deal, if an ancient/TOR character is meant to be a big deal it's just lip service and doesn't matter." Gotcha.
Also gratz for ignoring that Shaak Ti could wield a staff and a saber simultaneously, someone you regularly shit on. So I guess 1 extra blade separates the fodder from the big deal 🙄
Originally posted by cs_zoltanWell, that's awesome and all, but not really what I've ever said. We actually have demonstrations of what Krell can do. The only time I ever call TOR out for lip service is if the supposed feat is literally stated to be a tale/myth, or is recounted by a character. Darth Jadus holding his ship together with TK. Tulak Hord soloing 1000 Jedi cus Khem Val. Darth Marr slaughtering armies solo with some comparison to a planetary shield cuz rumours. And for the record I didn't ever say that these guys aren't meant to be a big deal, only that taking these "feats" at face value is a blind leap of faith. Now, if you're done violently spraying sodium...
As a PT/Legacy wanker this is my opinion of your stinking bullshit: "If someone is meant to be a big deal in the PT he is indeed a big deal, if an ancient/TOR character is meant to be a big deal it's just lip service and doesn't matter." Gotcha.Also gratz for ignoring that Shaak Ti could wield a staff and a saber simultaneously, someone you regularly shit on. So I guess 1 extra blade separates the fodder from the big deal 🙄
Damn dude, this 6 second clip of her holding a staff/lightsaber at either side of her deflecting Magnaguard strikes and killing a grand total of nothing is so comparable to Pong Krell casually wielding two of the most user-dangerous weapons available with insane dexterity for the entirety of a TCW arc while slaughtering the finest clone troopers available.
https://youtu.be/64-3talVkUA?t=11m
🙄 indeed.
Originally posted by ILS
Well, that's awesome and all, but not really what I've ever said. We actually have demonstrations of what Krell can do. The only time I ever call TOR out for lip service is if the supposed feat is literally stated to be a tale/myth, or is recounted by a character. Darth Jadus holding his ship together with TK. Tulak Hord soloing 1000 Jedi cus Khem Val. Darth Marr slaughtering armies solo with some comparison to a planetary shield cuz rumours. And for the record I didn't ever say that these guys aren't meant to be a big deal, only that taking these "feats" at face value is a blind leap of faith. Now, if you're done violently spraying sodium...Damn dude, this 6 second clip of her holding a staff/lightsaber at either side of her deflecting Magnaguard strikes and killing a grand total of nothing is so comparable to Pong Krell casually wielding two of the most user-dangerous weapons available with insane dexterity for the entirety of a TCW arc while slaughtering the finest clone troopers available.
https://youtu.be/64-3talVkUA?t=11m
🙄 indeed.
On my phone, so Beni will have to wait. Couldn't help but reply to this bullshit degrading of Shaak's feat in an attempt to wank Krell, because you're just clearly proving Zoltan's point. You're applying one set of logic to Krell, while ignoring Kao Cen Darach who fought Darth Vindican and Lord Malgus with the double/single combo, and actually killed one of them with it, an infinitely superior feat to fighting off some clones.
Yet where have you ever claimed Darach could fight the top tiers? I certainly haven't seen it 😬