Originally posted by Beniboybling
Would just like to point out that Darach only wielded Satele's saberstaff for half the fight before resorting to Jar'Kai, with which he killed Vindican.
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Basically just wielded the two weapons as one would standard dual-wielding, though with a slight difference to the off-hand weapon's grip. Not really a great example tbh.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Would just like to point out that Darach only wielded Satele's saberstaff for half the fight before resorting to Jar'Kai, with which he killed Vindican.
He deactivates the second blade to put more power into a strike on Malgus, and from there is basically only on the offensive so realistically Jar'kai is a more advantageous form than the triple blade.
Though he killed Vindican with both sides of the double blade activated, hence in the discussion of "mastery of incredibly dangerous and complex weapons", it's not really different.
Originally posted by Aurbere
👆Basically just wielded the two weapons as one would standard dual-wielding, though with a slight difference to the off-hand weapon's grip. Not really a great example tbh.
Not only does he engage them actively using all three blades, but he even uses all three in a saber lock.
Perhaps you should brush up on the fight before replying further, wouldn't want you to embarrass yourself.
Originally posted by Selenial
He deactivates the second blade to put more power into a strike on Malgus, and from there is basically only on the offensive so realistically Jar'kai is a more advantageous form than the triple blade.Though he killed Vindican with both sides of the double blade activated, hence in the discussion of "mastery of incredibly dangerous and complex weapons", it's not really different.
Yeah, Darach killed him with both sides... because the activation of the other side impaled him. Darach wasn't actively fighting with both ends. It is pretty different.
Originally posted by Aurbere
Yeah, Darach killed him with both sides... because the activation of the other side impaled him. Darach wasn't actively fighting with both ends. It is pretty different.
Seriously, watch the fight. This is embarrassing on my end, just watching you type this stuff.
He fought with both blades activated for a significant portion of the fight and utilized both. Even still, the argument is about how one can effectively use a double blade and another saber without killing themselves, regardless of if he used the second side or not, (he did,) the risk was still posed, the fight was still fought, and he still came out on top.
Originally posted by Selenial
Not only does he engage them actively using all three blades, but he even uses all three in a saber lock.Perhaps you should brush up on the fight before replying further, wouldn't want you to embarrass yourself.
Yeah, uh, he uses it for a few seconds. Hardly the same as dual-wielding double-bladed lightsabers as a career choice. Keep trying.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Tbh, last time I checked Kao Cen Darach was the Order's Battlemaster, so most likely among the most skilled combatants in the Order. And Krell has one up on him.Again not seeing how these comparison's are damaging to Krell wank other than to claim "well never saw you wank dis guy trolololol" 😬
It doesn't really matter. Darach used it for a very brief period of time, and he lacks any style or grace. He just looks uncomfortable doing it tbh.
Krell > 👆
Originally posted by Aurbere
Yeah, uh, he uses it for a few seconds. Hardly the same as dual-wielding double-bladed lightsabers as a career choice. Keep trying.
I expect better than this from Neph, let alone you. I'm genuinely ashamed.
Your point isn't just irrelevant, it nullifies half the arguments posted in this thread. Whether you like it or not, Darach showed the skill required to duel two powerful Sith with a Double Blade and a Single Blade. Whether or not he thought it worth it throughout his career is irrelevant, because the fact is it likely would not be worth it for any Jedi who lacked Krell's fortunate physique. As you see towards the end of the fight, Darach chooses to not bother with all three blades activated, likely because his striking strength was significantly lesser with one double blade activated.
The important thing to note however is that he shows the technical skill required to perform these actions, as did Shaak Ti, as did Darth Maul. So the argument that Krell utilizing two double-blades shows some incredible skill never before demonstrated in the mythos, is wrong.
Sure, he's strong. Sure, he's probably quite fast. But seeing as the double blade feats don't show as much skill as many individuals in this thread were suggesting, there is absolutely no reason to suggest he can go toe-to-toe with the high tiers of the Star Wars universe, because this so called unprecedented feat is not unprecedented at all, and without that, he's really not all that special.
Sel, wielding two saberstaffs at once is actually unprecedented. 😕
All you've raised is a bunch of exceptionally skilled people who almost did that and on that basis argued its not that a good feat. 😕
EDIT: This also has more to do with just skill, its a question of effectiveness and unorthodoxy as well. The sheer striking speed wielding two saberstaffs with four arms would give Krell is immense. And seeing as its been said that one saberstaff is itself a difficult for even experienced masters to defend against, one can only imagine how difficult it would be to handle two.
I'm sorry, how is wielding two saberstaff's when you have complimentary physiology and actual training and experience wielding these weapons supposed to be so far ahead of dual wielding one lightsaber and a staff weapon without much experience/training doing so that it supposedly puts Krell on Grievous level while Shaak and Kao are just meh.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Sel, wielding two saberstaffs at once is actually unprecedented. 😕All you've raised is a bunch of exceptional skilled people who almost did that and on that basis argued its not that a good feat. 😕
So tell me, you think Kao Cen Darach would pressure the top tiers? 🙂
Because actually, this began with me calling ILS out on double standards, not necessarily bashing Krell. The thing is though, Darach and Ti fought off far superior foes to Clones, so yes, they may not be wielding both saberstaffs, but their feats are still superior.
So yes, where've you ever stated that Darach or Shaak Ti could pressure the top tiers because of the incredible skill required in doing what they've done? In fact, in the past, you've suggested TPM Kenobi is approaching Darach in skill, and that Darach stands next to no chance against Maul mmm
Originally posted by Beniboybling
EDIT: This also has more to do with just skill, its a question of effectiveness and unorthodoxy as well. The sheer striking speed wielding two saberstaffs with four arms would give Krell is immense. And seeing as its been said that one saberstaff is itself a difficult for even experienced masters to defend against, one can only imagine how difficult it would be to handle two.
Which is all ****ing hypothetical because we have no idea just how effective he is in a duel, since blocking blaster bolts means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.
So yeh, refer to my first post about how we have absolutely no methods of properly ranking him.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yeah as overrated as I think the magnaguard feat is sometimes, it still kinda completely shits on cutting apart clones as a martial feat tbh
It is two different mediums though. If Krell were to be in the original Clone Wars it probably would have been an army of Jedi he was cleaving through maybe
Re: Pong Krell: Combative Prowess Discussion
Originally posted by |King Joker|
How skilled and powerful is General Krell compared to other combatants in his era? (Or if you want, other eras, too).
In canon, he's one of the best; better than even most of the council members. Only guys like Anakin and Vos are better.
Originally posted by EmperordmbLol @ this strawman.
I'm sorry, how is wielding two saberstaff's when you have complimentary physiology and actual training and experience wielding these weapons supposed to be so far ahead of dual wielding one lightsaber and a staff weapon without much experience/training doing so that it supposedly puts Krell on Grievous level while Shaak and Kao are just meh.
Originally posted by SelenialWell first of all Darach hasn't mastered what Krell has, it isn't his favoured style and I'm not seeing much evidence he's as powerful in the Force so... (on the other hand he's evidently an exceptional swordsman, so as far as technical skill goes, it's a moot point) and lol Shaak Ti is top tier (as is Maul) my goodness.
So tell me, you think Kao Cen Darach would pressure the top tiers? 🙂Because actually, this began with me calling ILS out on double standards, not necessarily bashing Krell. The thing is though, Darach and Ti fought off far superior foes to Clones, so yes, they may not be wielding both saberstaffs, but their feats are still superior.
So yes, where've you ever stated that Darach or Shaak Ti could pressure the top tiers because of the incredible skill required in doing what they've done? In fact, in the past, you've suggested TPM Kenobi is approaching Darach in skill, and that Darach stands next to no chance against Maul mmm
Now as for Ti and Darach's feats being better, sure (though lightsaber combat and blaster deflection aren't really comparable) but Krell's feat against the clones and his mastery of dual-wielding saberstaffs are separate points. Again it's an argument for technical skill, which doesn't necessarily translate into combat effectiveness, unless of course your style is unorthodox in the extreme and you're a Force powerhouse. 👆
Originally posted by SelenialHypothetical =/= we know nothing deary. It's using the facts we do know to make a hypothesis on how effective he would be "in the grand scheme of things" - which is the purpose of this thread, welcome.
Which is all ****ing hypothetical because we have no idea just how effective he is in a duel, since blocking blaster bolts means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.So yeh, refer to my first post about how we have absolutely no methods of properly ranking him.
And refer to my response. 😉