Pong Krell: Combative Prowess Discussion

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Let's not forget his powerful Force waves. Also convenient he has 2 hands to do force waves with while still wielding his multiple Sabers with his other 2 hands.

Plus he's huge. He's a physical beast. Honestly he's like a Force wielding Grievous.

Sel: Dry your tears. Ti sucks. Wielding a single blade and alternating between a single and staff is awesome and all, but it's still not on-par with or nearly as dangerous as what Krell does on the regular. And I'm not even discussing this f*cker in the context of Legends, I'm discussing him in the context of TCW, where what he does is only replicated (if it is even replicated, and ****ers like Maul and Dooku aren't undermined by pirates) by the top tiers.

It's not even difficult to understand.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Well first of all Darach hasn't mastered what Krell has, it isn't his favoured style and I'm not seeing much evidence he's as powerful in the Force so... (on the other hand he's evidently an exceptional swordsman, so as far as technical skill goes, it's a moot point) and lol Shaak Ti is top tier (as is Maul) my goodness.

Yeh, force pushing Malgus and Darach simultaneously, volleying several huge objects and deflecting lightning is totally <<< force pushing some clones.

And you said pressure top tiers, then cited Dooku and Mace. Switch stances all you want, but pressure implies a remote parity. You also suggested he'd definitively beat Savage and Grievous, despite in the past saying Savage could nigh-stalemate Shaak Ti, who you're now calling top tier.

You can see why this looks more like you moving your ranking of characters simply to benefit your point. Especially because you've stated numerous times that you think Ahsoka > Shaak Ti, conclusively. Are you suggesting she's Windu/Dooku tier? 🙂 🙂 🙂

Now as for Ti and Darach's feats being better, sure (though lightsaber combat and blaster deflection aren't really comparable) but Krell's feat against the clones and his mastery of dual-wielding saberstaffs are separate points. Again it's an argument for technical skill, which doesn't necessarily translate into combat effectiveness, unless of course your style is unorthodox in the extreme and you're a telekinetic powerhouse. 👆

So if blaster deflection isn't comparable, how can you say he'll pressure top tiers? That's some solid double standards there.

Originally posted by ILS
His Force wave KO'd like a dozen clones or more. In the context of TCW, that shit seldom happens. More evidence to the point.

Ventress pushed a shit tonne of clones further back, they just didn't happen to hit walls.

Sel: Dry your tears. Ti sucks. Wielding a single blade and alternating between a single and staff is awesome and all, but it's still not on-par with or nearly as dangerous as what Krell does on the regular. And I'm not even discussing this f*cker in the context of Legends, I'm discussing him in the context of TCW, where what he does is only replicated (if it is even replicated, and ****ers like Maul and Dooku aren't undermined by pirates) by the top tiers.

You're acting as if TCW is consistent. In some episodes Grievous is clearly Ventress' superior, in others she's equalling him.

As you said, in one episode Dooku is "schooled by pirates" yet in an unreleased S7 episode he schools the galaxy's greatest Bounty Hunters, including Boba, while barely using his lightsaber. TCW is anything but consistent, so suggesting the medium is grounds for placing him highly, when you've dismissed medium-based arguments in the past (case in point being one we've already brought up, Ti's magnaguard feats) is insanely biased.

Originally posted by ILS
what Krell does on the regular

Beni, Aurb, Ares, Cs and Sel have never looked more attractive to me than right now 🙂 (my fantasy became real bitches! Fite fite)

Originally posted by Selenial
Ventress pushed a shit tonne of clones further back, they just didn't happen to hit walls.

In TCW? When?

Originally posted by Selenial
As you said, in one episode Dooku is "schooled by pirates" yet in an unreleased S7 episode he schools the galaxy's greatest Bounty Hunters, including Boba, while barely using his lightsaber.

Which is irrelevant because it's unreleased. Beyond that, in the novel based on those episodes, those bounty hunters defeat and capture Dooku...

Well this thread just got disgusting...

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Beni, Aurb, Ares, Cs and Sel have never looked more attractive to me than right now 🙂 (my fantasy became real bitches! Fite fite)

Obviously I'm the most attractive. 😉

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Well this thread just got more disgusting...

Originally posted by Selenial
Yeh, force pushing Malgus and Darach simultaneously, volleying several huge objects and deflecting lightning is totally <<< force pushing some clones.

And you said pressure top tiers, then cited Dooku and Mace. Switch stances all you want, but pressure implies a remote parity. You also suggested he'd definitively beat Savage and Grievous, despite in the past saying Savage could nigh-stalemate Shaak Ti, who you're now calling top tier.

And Mace and Dooku are obviously at the top end of the spectrum, I also cited Maul and Kenobi, who Ti indeed compares to. Point being that a comparison between Krell and Ti doesn't diminish his threat level, at all.

You can see why this looks more like you moving your ranking of characters simply to benefit your point. Especially because you've stated numerous times that you think Ahsoka > Shaak Ti, conclusively. Are you suggesting she's Windu/Dooku tier? 🙂 🙂 🙂

You should consider that fact I regard Shaak Ti as a threat to Ahsoka as high praise indeed. 🙂

So if blaster deflection isn't comparable, how can you say he'll pressure top tiers? That's some solid double standards there.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
And Mace and Windu are obviously at the upper end of the spectrum

😛

Originally posted by Selenial
As you said, in one episode Dooku is "schooled by pirates" yet in an unreleased S7 episode he schools the galaxy's greatest Bounty Hunters, including Boba, while barely using his lightsaber. TCW is anything but consistent, so suggesting the medium is grounds for placing him highly, when you've dismissed medium-based arguments in the past (case in point being one we've already brought up, Ti's magnaguard feats) is insanely biased.

Originally posted by Aurbere
😛

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Well this thread just got disgusting...

I could tell you something disgusting. You wouldn't like it, though.

Originally posted by ares834
In TCW? When?

Originally posted by Aurbere
I could tell you something disgusting. You wouldn't like it, though.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Already seen enough disgusting shit between you two on the battlebar to last me a lifetime 👆

Then it's a good thing that's all you've seen. 😉

Skwelli > all tbh.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lol not parity, AotC Anakin briefly pressured Dooku, they are not peers. Pressure implies your good enough to make that person work for a victory, which is what Krell is.

What part of Dooku looked taxed during that engagement? mmm

And Mace and Dooku are obviously at the top end of the spectrum, I also cited Maul and Kenobi, who Ti indeed compares to. Point being that a comparison between Krell and Ti doesn't diminish his threat level, at all.

Unless Ti's feat was decidedly better than Krells, and she was, by your own admission, at the lower end of this "top tier".

Lol maybe if you acknowledge more than the part in brackets, you can work that one out for yourself. 👆

No, since you acknowledged it's an argument for technical skill that isn't applicable to duels. Your entire ranking of him is supposition based on how impressive you find his dual wielding, which isn't an accurate or well-founded method of ranking characters whatsoever.

It's almost as if "we can't actually judge Krell's ability as a combatant at all, based on his singular showing."

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Skwelli > all tbh.

A solid example actually, considering how lowly Dooku rated him as a duelist, saying his skills were overrated and sloppy, IIRC.

Good point 👆