Orlando Terrorist Attack

Started by Lestov1633 pages

What are you worried about? You know Hillary is a warhawk. She'll be up in arms to storm the Middle East and kill those dirty Muslims in the name of humanitarian intervention. Isn't that what you want? Or maybe you need Trump so their families can be killed too.

Islam, homophobia, political alignment. Terrorist attacks sure bring out the passion in people. But can we manifest that passion to make productive change? That is the question we should be asking. What change needs to be made to prevent another attack like this, and what can we, the citizen at the computer/phone, do to become more productive at preventing intolerance and hate? That would be the best way to honor the deaths of the victims.

I would rather have a nationalist president who wants to protect the nation and put America first and not get involved in the wars, then Hilary who is incessant on destroying multiple countries while taking money from the Saudi's and Jordanians and putting America last.

Hilary has killed more families then Trump ever has, in fact Trump has never killed anyone. Hilary has probably a few million lives on her bloody hands.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
But he wasn't. He was going around room to room. You see people hiding in the bathroom sending goodbye texts. You would totally have a point if he stood in one location and just fired, but he was moving.

Idk man just coming in the club in 5 minutes time he can get off 3500 rounds. I'm not sure about how many rooms there were, but I'm aware he made himself into the bathrooms. Bathrooms are probably located in the back area, so he had time to heard out the ones that ran to hide in the bathrooms. He shot 100 + so I'm sure some people stampeded out in time.

Think about this way . In that situation if you're one of the lucky ones to get past him, would you try to disarm him ?

So the father has a Tv show about his own radicalization.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I would rather have a nationalist president who wants to protect the nation and put America first and not get involved in the wars, then Hilary who is incessant on destroying multiple countries while taking money from the Saudi's and Jordanians and putting America last.

Hilary has killed more families then Trump ever has, in fact Trump has never killed anyone. Hilary has probably a few million lives on her bloody hands.

lmao, how is Trump being a blatant racist and criticizing everyone who isn't white, wanting to build a goddamn giant wall in the Mexican border and saying he will force the government to do so not getting involved in a potential conflict/war with another country/creating conflict within his own country??

Originally posted by Badabing
So 50 fifty people died for no reason but some insane hatred and the same people politicize the tragedy to push their ideology...Yeah, this stops or you are gone for a few weeks.

Might want to take badas advice

Huh?

Can you read?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Can you read?

Lel, your personal attacks are mediocre.

You were comparing Hilary to Trump. I typed down my opinion on the matter you were discussing. I didn't even touch the subject of 50 people dying for no reason.

I made no personal attack, did you read what the mod said?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I made no personal attack, did you read what the mod said?

Asking me if I can read is sorta attacking me, don't ya think? Considering it's pretty obvious I can.

Yeah, I read it. As I said:
You were comparing Hilary to Trump. I typed down my opinion on the matter you were discussing. I didn't even touch the subject of 50 people dying for no reason.

I'm not politicizing anything, so yeah.

No, I asked if you read what the mod said, Kek.

I was responding to someone's comments on trump and Hilary. I didn't start the convo.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So the father has a Tv show about his own radicalization.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-shooting-omar-mateen-father-seddique-mateen-taliban-god-punish-gays/

Says his dad, a Taliban supporter, probably proselytize him into homophobia, demeaning LGBTs even after his son's death, saying

"God will punish those involved in homosexuality...not an issue that humans should deal with."

More on the show: Seddique Mateen hosts a Pashtun-nationalistic Pro-Taliban program on a California-based satellite Afghan TV station, aimed at the Afghan diaspora in the in the U.S., called the "Durand Jirga Show."

But this is more interesting:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/12/drag-queen-orlando-gunman-omar-mateen-was-my-friend.html

So apparently a long while back Mateen was actually good friends with an openly gay drag queen. Perhaps Omar's scumbag dad found out about this and proselytize his son to be an intolerant scumbag too. I mean, he was very quick to point out his son hated gays, probably because he felt ashamed of his son's former friendship.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
No, I asked if you read what the mod said, Kek.

I was responding to someone's comments on trump and Hilary. I didn't start the convo.

I was also responding to someone's comments on Trump and Hilary. Yours.

Originally posted by Petrus
I was also responding to someone's comments on Trump and Hilary. Yours.

I'm happy for you, kek.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I'm happy for you, kek.

If you choose to ignore my comments regarding Hilary and Trump, then suit yourself. 👆

Originally posted by Petrus
If you choose to ignore my comments regarding Hilary and Trump, then suit yourself. 👆

You'll never know

So nice to see this tragedy being turned to push political POVs.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/13/islam-does-have-a-problem-with-homosexuality-but-so-do-western-c/

This article gets into the point I'm trying to make. If we want to prevent tragedies like this, we have to make all intolerance universally unacceptable and establish an official prioritization of human rights over ideologies, religious, political, economic, or otherwise. If there is a benevolent God who gave humans free will, this is what he'd want, simply because any God who would prioritize worship to Him over human rights is clearly not benevolent.

As I pointed out with Nibedicus, there is no true religion, as every person has a different subjective cosmological belief system that may or may not be interpreted from mankind's many religions. As I pointed out with him, the only true practitioners of a faith are it's fundamentalists, as any defiance of exact written scripture, such as say defying Leviticus 20:13 to accept homosexuality, can be considered defiance of the religion itself. It is this subjective interpretation that is responsible for the different sects of religions to the infinite way the words can be interpreted by the human imagination.

But the primary goal of all religions is to objectively prove the existence of a metaphysical Supreme Being and an afterlife. Thus if we are to believe a benevolent God exists, we must first assume, above all, that he is benevolent. This means he has no malice and no pride. He would not demand the worship of beings lower than him, as that is the ultimate version of pride (it is this prideful behavior that is frequently referred to the The Devil) and would not support any oppression, injustice, or intolerance, homophobia, misogyny, elitism, or otherwise, less lone any done in his name, because, again, if so, such a God would not be benevolent. Such a God would support the concept of human rights and wisdom. Only a benevolent God ([i]or again, the Devil; it is known he comes in the form you least expect, and many Christians at least parts of the Bible (Quran and all other holy books too) were written by men, who are susceptible to devilish influence.....just sayin[i]) would demand worship and promote ignorance and human rights violations over wisdom and human rights.

Now of course, you'll say I don't know the will of the Abrahamic God. I'm just human, I can't comprehend it. But if that's the case, how do YOU know he's a benevolent God? If His will is incomprehensible to humans, operating on a level of logic above good and evil, then how can he be called good? He's not operating by the human definition of the word good, so if he is not benevolent by the definition we know, why refer to him using that word?

Thus, if a benevolent God does exist, and he has reached out to humanity through religious texts, and, as stated everybody has their own subjective religion, we must assume this benevolent God is pantheistic, that all of mankind's religions have a needle of the Word of God in the haystack of the words of man, and that it is through interpretation that we are able to access His True Word.

Again, if I'm wrong, if the Abrahamic God exists and he supports stoning gays to death, then is he a benevolent God, and if you say yes, we just don't understand him because He is above us, then the human definition of benevolent is not an applicable term.

This is just a rhetorical rant meant to generate thought. If you see any flaws, please state them peacefully

So we need to replace religion with politics?

Yeah I don't see anything that could go with that....