Orlando Terrorist Attack

Originally posted by Lestov16
Because this was a religious attack on gays. You know, like the Christians who don't want gays to get married and protest the national same sex marriage bill, the one Trump wants to get rid of.

Or is it okay to not give them the right to marry but not okay to kill them in a terrorist attack? Is that the difference between Christianity and Islam, that both dehumanize gays and deny giving them equal human rights, but Christians just do it on a lesser level?

If your going to turn this political and talk about trump and christians when there is no relevance, the thread is going to get very bad very quickly, how about we all stay on point this one time. Trump has never said he didn't want gays to be married, he actually said the exact opposite.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/04/politics/donald-trump-gay-marriage-kentucky-clerk-kim-davis/index.html

Originally posted by Lestov16
Because this was a religious attack on gays. You know, like the Christians who don't want gays to get married and protest the national same sex marriage bill, the one Trump wants to get rid of.

Or is it okay to not give them the right to marry but not okay to kill them in a terrorist attack? Is that the difference between Christianity and Islam, that both dehumanize gays and equal human rights, but Christians just do it on a lesser level?

Wow.

So, it's ok to condemn and blame a group of ppl for actions they had nothing to do with by simply summarily generalizing them for as long as they "fit" within a specific general terminology (in this case, religion)?

Condemning one type of prejudice whilst demonstrating another. Good job. 👆

So just talk about the political Islamic aspect and ignore the political homophobic aspect. Just dehumanize Muslims to ignore the pervasive religious dehumanization of homosexuals. I see....

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
If your going to turn this political and talk about trump and christians when there is no relevance, the thread is going to get very bad very quickly, how about we all stay on point this one time. Trump has never said he didn't want gays to be married, he actually said the exact opposite.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/04/politics/donald-trump-gay-marriage-kentucky-clerk-kim-davis/index.html

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I just said this.

"This was also pride weekend in Miami, Even though this was in Orlando, they were celebrating, now all is lost."

Its actually pride month in florida, so everyone was celebrating.

Yeah, night club itself was in Orlando, though.

Lived in FL for 2 years, actually finished my bachelor's at a university there. Title got me really worried, got relatives in Miami.

It is yet another insane tragic disgusting act by a terrorist. Praying for the families of the victims, the lives lost and those still fighting for their lives.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Wow.

So, it's ok to condemn and blame a group of ppl for actions they had nothing to do with by simply summarily generalizing them for as long as they "fit" within a specific general terminology (in this case, religion)?

Condemning one type of prejudice whilst demonstrating another. Good job. 👆

Lol. Accusing me of generalizing when you just want to act like this attack is simply "an Islamic attack against the West" when it's clearly a religious hate crime primarily against homosexuals.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Yeah, night club itself was in Orlando, though.

Lived in FL for 2 years, actually finished my bachelor's at a university there. Title got me really worried, got relatives in Miami.

It is yet another insane tragic disgusting act by a terrorist. Praying for the families of the victims, the lives lost and those still fighting for their lives.

I said it was in Orlando later , I could not correct the OP saying Miami. I thought it was Miami cause it was pride weekend there. Its not a big deal. Ill get a mod to fix it.

Originally posted by Lestov16
So just talk about the political Islamic aspect and ignore the political homophobic aspect. Just dehumanize Muslims to ignore the pervasive religious dehumanization of homosexuals. I see....

Wow. Seriously, do you read what you write?

No one here is dehumanizing Muslims. The only person blaming this stuff to an entire group of ppl here is you.

This was an act of terrorism, perhaps we should focus the blame on terrorists?

I mean, I thought that if some black gang bangers start shooting up a neighborhood, you should blame those kind of activities to gang bangers, and not attribute it to the culture of the black and latino population. But this is exactly what you did.

He does not want to blame the group, ideology and person that did it, he just wants to blame trump and christians now.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Lol. Accusing me of generalizing when you just want to act like this attack is simply "an Islamic attack against the West" when it's clearly a religious hate crime primarily against homosexuals.

No, it is a "terrorist attack against the west, (seemingly) specifically the LGBT community". If you can just get your politically-fixated head out of your ass for ten seconds, you'd actually come up with a more objective, less prejudiced definition of this tragedy.

But Nibedicus, that is exactly what he said here:

Originally posted by Lestov16
Yeah. It was undoubtedly a terrorist attack. Even if the guy was just motivated by homophobia, he carried out a mass-casualty hate crime to instill fear in gays. So no matter if he was motivated by personal homophobia or religious homophobia, it was a homophobic terrorist attack.

Or are terrorist attacks exclusively Islamic?

Originally posted by Bardock42
But Nibedicus, that is exactly what he said here:

And this is what I'm commenting on:

Originally posted by Lestov16
Indeed. This is the largest religion-based hate crime in American history. Hopefully this will show the world that the homophobia of the Quran and the Bible only leads to hate, which leads to tragedies like this.

Nice try, tho.

I did call it a terrorist attack. I said it was undoubtedly a terrorist attack. It's just that you only think he's a terrorist because he's a Muslim, and not because he's dogmatically homophobic.

Lol! What do you mean "seemingly"? So you think homophobia played no part in this, mainly because if it did, it brings the homophobic dogma of all religions, including Christianity into question and that makes you uncomfortable. So you'd rather take the easiest route of dehumanizing Muslims than examine the dehumanization of gays in all religions.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I did call it a terrorist attack. I said it was undoubtedly a terrorist attack. It's just that you only think he's a terrorist because he's a Muslim, and not because he's dogmatically homophobic.

Making stuff up now, aren't we?

Please indicate where I said that in this statement:

Originally posted by Nibedicus
I always wonder why whenever something is done by Islamic terrorists, that there's always that one guy that would always try to wholesale lump them together with Catholics....

SMH.

Hell, I'm not even sure what the shooter's religion is. He could well be Catholic.

But in almost every discussion where ppl are discussing an act as some form of Islamic terrorism, there's always that one guy that wants to lump Catholics in with the Islamic terrorists like everyone within any kind of Abrahamic religion is one and the same. All we need is some ppl implying that this has something to do with Islamic terrorism and we then get this one guy trying to combine Islam and Catholicism like they were one and the same.

And in this discussion, that "guy" happens to be you.

And it's usually from those who should know better about lumping entire ppls together just because they share some form of trait.

It stinks of hypocrisy.

Edit. And yes, I said "seemingly" because we don't have the exact information about his motivations as of yet, all we have is speculation. All things as of now are pointing to it, I agree, but I'd rather wait for all the information before stating it as a fact. I mean would it be an heterophobic act of terrorism if the club he attacked wasn't a LGBT nightclub? Until we have 100% of the facts before us, we cannot start stating things as facts.

The shooter was on a terrorist watch list.

This is assignee, so we watch these people and dont bring them in for questioning now???

I don't know who those other people are, but due to the specific circumstances of this terrorist attack, a comparison of Islamic to Christian homophobia is applicable. Islamic terrorist attacks against a marathon or skyscrapers is clearly meant to be against the West at large, but this one was specifically targeted at gays, which means the subject of religious based homophobia, including that of Christianity must be brought up.

Quite simply, you're lumping me into all the liberal extremists you've talked to beforehand rather than objectively looking at the circumstances of this instance. IOW, other liberals have cried wolf, but this time I'm telling the truth.

Religious based homophobia must be examined after this. The Kim Davises of the world should view this as a massive reality check of the dangers of dogmatic intolerance.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
The shooter was on a terrorist watch list.

This is assignee, so we watch these people and dont bring them in for questioning now???

Well the NRA doesn't mind giving them guns, so...

Originally posted by Lestov16
I don't know who those other people are, but due to the specific circumstances of this terrorist attack, a comparison of Islamic to Christian homophobia is applicable. Islamic terrorist attacks against a marathon or skyscrapers is clearly meant to be against the West at large, but this one was specifically targeted at gays, which means the subject of religious based homophobia, including that of Christianity must be brought up.

Quite simply, you're lumping me into all the liberal extremists you've talked to beforehand rather than objectively looking at the circumstances of this instance. IOW, other liberals have cried wolf, but this time I'm telling the truth.

Religious based homophobia must be examined after this. The Kim Davises of the world should view this as a massive reality check of the dangers of dogmatic intolerance.

This has nothing to do with liberalism, conservatism or christianity.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Well the NRA doesn't mind giving them guns, so...

Confirmed, you are a piece of shit. Say goodbye to me being cordial with you. You ready for war bucky?

Originally posted by Lestov16
I don't know who those other people are, but due to the specific circumstances of this terrorist attack, a comparison of Islamic to Christian homophobia is applicable. Islamic terrorist attacks against a marathon or skyscrapers is clearly meant to be against the West at large, but this one was specifically targeted at gays, which means the subject of religious based homophobia, including that of Christianity must be brought up.

Quite simply, you're lumping me into all the liberal extremists you've talked to beforehand rather than objectively looking at the circumstances of this instance. IOW, other liberals have cried wolf, but this time I'm telling the truth.

Religious based homophobia must be examined after this. The Kim Davises of the world should view this as a massive reality check of the dangers of dogmatic intolerance.

Clearly you are clueless, and a dumbass, you have no effing clue what you are talking about. This has nothing to do with christians, and for you to even bring this up shows your ignorance and stupidity.

This was a muslim extremist that targeted innocent people based on his religion and ideology. How dare you bring up christians and paint them in the same light cause they protested a ruling from the Supreme Court that should have been left up to the states

Who the **** do you think you are? Your a fcking nobody, a nobody, you live at home with you fcking mom living on handouts and you think you are going to lump christians holding signs in with this ****ing maniac.

Go **** yourself👆