Orlando Terrorist Attack

Originally posted by Lestov16
Again my point is proven! You want to focus purely on the Muslim aspect instead of the homophobic aspect!

I am focusing on the homophobic part, your own words defeat you as you cannot read.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I dont care what the fathers says, it means nothing. This is the largest shooting in american history, due to radical beliefs because of radical islamic beliefs and ideology. Radicals hate gays. This guy was a hater and a murderous biggot and a piece of shit.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Hopefully this will affirm and make it well known to ignorant people that Islam hates and kills gays and throws them off buildings kills, imprisions them in places like Iran, Pakistan, Jordan, Saudia Arabia, Syria, and Iraq.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nice try of what? Trying to get you both to agree on the part you actually agree on?

Playing ref? You are the wrong person to ever play ref.

I understand, but look at the two posts you quoted. In the first post you specifically refer to radical Islam, which is true, but in the second post you refer to Islam in general, as though it is only Islam and no other Abrahamic religions that are homophobic or have radicals.

Also Trump may not have been a good example of modern Christian homophobia. Ill admit that was a faulty example. A better example would be Kim Davis.

Originally posted by SquallX
Are those excuses am hearing?

Tell me, when was the last time in the late 20's, 21st century Christians preached killing of people because of there sex, race, the defacing of there God is the right thing to do?

Since you're asking. The Westboro Baptist Church routinely states gays should be killed as written in the Bible, then there's that pastor who Ted Cruz supported who said similar. Pretty sure there's more who believe homosexuls should be put to death as per Leviticus 20:13.

Must be mistaken, Rob. According to TI, only Islam has homophobic radicals.

So we are not going to talk about this specific attack, we are going to make it political and talk about everything else but this attack.

Clown

Originally posted by Lestov16
I understand, but look at the two posts you quoted. In the first post you specifically refer to radical Islam, which is true, but in the second post you refer to Islam in general, as though it is only Islam and no other Abrahamic religions that are homophobic or have radicals.

Also Trump may not have been a good example of modern Christian homophobia. Ill admit that was a faulty example. A better example would be Kim Davis.

The guy pledged alliegece to ISIS. THIS IS ABOUT RADICAL ISLAM YOU FOOL

TRUMP SUPPORTS GAY MARRAIGE

QUIT LYING YOU DISGRACE!

QUIT BLAMING CHRISTIANS YOU DISGRACE!

Its utterly shameful what you and Rob are doing. Pathetic, sick, childish and petty.

Originally posted by Lestov16
People died because of religious homophobic intolerance! You say "LETZ JUSTZ MOURNZ DA PEEPLEZ" rather than discuss THE MOTIVATION OF THE ATTACK? Do you actually care? Because if you did you'd be discussing how prevent this from happening again, and considering the cause was [b]religious homophobia, that would probably be a good starting place. For somebody who actually cared, at least. [/B]

Yes, we should mourn the ppl first. As with everything, there is a time and a place to do things. Kinda like going to a guy who died from gang violence and then shouting "and you can blame this on his gangbanger lifestyle!" being the wrong time to discuss the implications of gang violence.

The fact that you do not know this is very indicative of your level of maturity.

Excuse me? You understand that the Catholic faith have made leaps and bounds in being inclusive of the LGBT community thru the decades right? You're not suddenly condemning us like we don't understand the importance of love, kindness and tolerance? I mean what's your point? You DO know that we KNOW prejudice = bad, right? And that we weren't raised in the 1700s and that the VAST majority of us are actually aware of the social changes happening around us? Because if you don't know this, you are then spewing drivel out of woefully ignorance.

And you also know that it is not simply one's religion but one's culture/the type parenting/political ideology/genetic inclinations/personality/psychology/etc that guides one's actions and that tragedies like this tend to be caused by a complex and volatile mix of those factors. Yes, religion is an "easy" justification. But maybe we should think about the possibility that ppl who do evil and violent things would look for any reason at all to justify the vile and evil things they do? Rather than just simply getting one thing we hate and putting all our blame on it?

You know, because that is what bigots do.

AKA we're not talking about Islam being the anti-American religion of evil but instead talk about the religious homophobia that resides in all Abrahamic religions? But..but...I wanted to be Islamophobic today!

Originally posted by Robtard
Since you're asking. The Westboro Baptist Church routinely states gays should be killed as written in the Bible, then there's that pastor who Ted Cruz supported who said similar. Pretty sure there's more who believe homosexuls should be put to death as per Leviticus 20:13.

What the **** does this have to do with that. All your trying to do is play cover up and blame something completely unrelated that never resulted in a mass murder based on hate crime radical terrorism.

Rob and Lest think: Picket signs and peaceful gatherings > Radical Islamic mass murdering Terrorism based on hate, biggotry and ideology.

Shame on you, shame on you forever.

Clown, go back to being a shadow, rtard.

Originally posted by Lestov16
AKA we're not talking about Islam being the anti-American religion of evil but instead talk about the religious homophobia that resides in all Abrahamic religions? But..but...I wanted to be Islamophobic today!

This has nothing to do with liberalism, conservatism or christianity you disgrace! You made this thread about politics when it could have brought everyone together,

SHAME ON YOU for what you have done. You have shamed yourself based on your spiteful unrelated beliefs to this mass murder terrorist attack.

Originally posted by Lestov16
So you think some forms of intolerance are more acceptable than others. It's that kind of dehumanizing that snowballs into terrorist hate crimes like this.

Yes, kinda like how your religious intolerance isn't as bad as another guy's religious intolerance so we take and discuss the worst ones and simply allow you to have your intolerant opinions for as long as you don't start shooting up bars.

I mean if we use the "all intolerance being equally unacceptable" logic, then you''re just as bad as the shooter.

Originally posted by Lestov16
The examples can go on and on. Main point is every ideology has extremists and opportunists. That should never be used to judge the intrinsic merit of the ideology itself. It is this generalizing that led us into our current political climate, people who fear extremists and opportunists will abuse the ideology of government vs people who fear extremists and opportunists will abuse the ideology of capitalism.

Kinda like how you opportunistically used this tragedy to spout your ideological intolerance? And how you used generalizations to judge the merits of different ideologies by simply lumping them all together, individual differences (on the beliefs themselves as we all as the differences on how the individual acts on their beliefs) notwithstanding?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Yes, we should mourn the ppl first. As with everything, there is a time and a place to do things. Kinda like going to a guy who died from gang violence and then shouting "and you can blame this on his gangbanger lifestyle!" being the wrong time to discuss the implications of gang violence.

The fact that you do not know this is very indicative of your level of maturity.

Excuse me? You understand that the Catholic faith have made leaps and bounds in being inclusive of the LGBT community thru the decades right? You're not suddenly condemning us like we don't understand the importance of love, kindness and tolerance? I mean what's your point? You DO know that we KNOW prejudice = bad, right? And that we weren't raised in the 1700s and that the VAST majority of us are actually aware of the social changes happening around us? Because if you don't know this, you are then spewing drivel out of woefully ignorance.

And you also know that it is not simply one's religion but one's culture/the type parenting/political ideology/genetic inclinations/personality/psychology/etc that guides one's actions and that tragedies like this tend to be caused by a complex and volatile mix of those factors. Yes, religion is an "easy" justification. But maybe we should think about the possibility that ppl who do evil and violent things would look for any reason at all to justify the vile and evil things they do? Rather than just simply getting one thing we hate and putting all our blame on it?

You know, because that is what bigots do.

Are you serious? That's the EXACT point that I'm trying to make. Thank you!

Many, but not all Christians (see:Kim Davis) have chosen to bypass the religious dogma to live better lives, but as shown by Davis, there are still those who choose to be intolerant because of dogma. These people are radicals, and they exist in every religion, including Islam. So when TI tries saying that the terrorism and homphobia of many Islamic countries and groups is representative of Islam, this is false. ISIS, Sharia law countries, terrorists, etc. are just dogmatic radicals, just like Davis or the WBC. Let's view them as such, and not generalise them with other benevolent Muslim sects, just as you would not want Kim Davis to be representative of all Christians.

You guys are trying to say "let's tackle the homophobia of ONLY Islam", instead of the homophobia of all religions. How are you going to tackle religious radicalism if you only focus on one religion?

Yeah, at this point we shouldn't be surprised another violent radicalized Muslim has killed again. Literally you should expect these sorts of attacks every few months and the death toll to be massive- only brain dead self-hating liberals tend to make the same excuses for these people "THEY'RE NOT ALL THE SAME" and "WE NEED TO INTEGRATE THEM". You may as well have those excuses on auto-type from the same people. What a terrible loss of life from a vile religion.

Originally posted by Lestov16
So when TI tries saying that the terrorism and homphobia of many Islamic countries and groups is representative of Islam, this is false. ISIS, Sharia law countries, terrorists, etc. are just dogmatic radicals, just like Davis or the WBC.

Comparing a mass murderous rampage based on religion to a piece of paper which should have been a state decision😂

It well known to non ignrotant people that Islam hates and kills gays and throws them off buildings kills, imprisions them in places like Iran, Pakistan, Jordan, Saudia Arabia, Syria, and Iraq.

Clown

Originally posted by Lestov16
Are you serious? That's the EXACT point that I'm trying to make. Thank you!

Many, but not all Christians (see:Kim Davis) have chosen to bypass the religious dogma to live better lives, but as shown by Davis, there are still those who choose to be intolerant because of dogma. These people are radicals, and they exist in every religion, including Islam. So when TI tries saying that the terrorism and homphobia of many Islamic countries and groups is representative of Islam, this is false. ISIS, Sharia law countries, terrorists, etc. are just dogmatic radicals, just like Davis or the WBC. Let's view them as such, and not generalise them with other benevolent Muslim sects, just as you would not want Kim Davis to be representative of all Christians.

You guys are trying to say "let's tackle the homophobia of ONLY Islam", instead of the homophobia of all religions. How are you going to tackle religious radicalism if you only focus on one religion?

The point that there is a time and place to discuss things like this and this is not it? That the exact point you're trying to make? Then why are you still here?

There are bad ppl in every race/culture/ideology. It's not just in religion Mr. religious bigot. It s EXACTLY bigotry when we attribute the bad actions of a vile few to an entirety of ppl (Kinda like saying: OJ Simpson kills wife = all black ppl are violent wife murderers). And that is what you are doing. How can you not see this?

When did we say "let's tackle the homophobia of ONLY Islam"? Pls quote, otherwise, you're just inventing arguments in your own head. And why not just tackle homophobia in general? Why bring religion into this? Are you saying that atheists and agnostics can't be homophobic? Because if you think that, I can introduce you to an athiest I know who is blatantly homophobic. Is your focus on religion because of the fact that you are a religious bigot?

LOL at all of you. Deriding an Islamic terrorist for his homophobic attack and ignoring the Christian homophobia that exists everyday. What's that the Bible said about looking at the speck in your neighbors eye? Terrorist attacks like this will always occur because people like you refuse to change yourselves but try to enforce change in others.Don't know what's sadder, the terrorist attack itself or the fact that nothing was learned from it.

I'll leave you guys in peace so you can discuss which missile you think Trump should launch at those dirty Muslims and their families. You accuse me of playing politics but clearly you see this as an excuse to engineer the Islamophobic hate train. As stated, you don't really care about the attack or it's causes, just about how much you can mold it to fit your Islamophobic narrative.

You are the only one who keeps talking about Trump, no one else is, clown.

You politicized this, you tried shifting blame, you are a disgrace.

You tried to engineer this as its anti gay white male christian conservative capitalists fault for this attack:

Originally posted by Lestov16
Because this was a religious attack on gays. You know, like the Christians who don't want gays to get married and protest the national same sex marriage bill, the one Trump wants to get rid of.

Or is it okay to not give them the right to marry but not okay to kill them in a terrorist attack? Is that the difference between Christianity and Islam, that both dehumanize gays and deny giving them equal human rights, but Christians just do it on a lesser level?

Please leave and never come back. CA, clown.

I'm sure he'll come up as you rant about how evil Muslims are.

And yeah as stated, I never made any such attack, unless you consider Kim Davis a white male capitalist. You're just illiterate and or insecure.