Orlando Terrorist Attack

Originally posted by Lestov16
I don't know who those other people are, but due to the specific circumstances of this terrorist attack, a comparison of Islamic to Christian homophobia is applicable. Islamic terrorist attacks against a marathon or skyscrapers is clearly meant to be against the West at large, but this one was specifically targeted at gays, which means the subject of religious based homophobia, including that of Christianity must be brought up.

Quite simply, you're lumping me into all the liberal extremists you've talked to beforehand rather than objectively looking at the circumstances of this instance. IOW, other liberals have cried wolf, but this time I'm telling the truth.

Religious based homophobia must be examined after this. The Kim Davises of the world should view this as a massive reality check of the dangers of dogmatic intolerance.

Then open a separate thread to discuss the issue. For f*ck's sake, this is a tragedy where ppl died and your first response was to try and lump Catholics and Muslims together as if somehow our religion was somehow to blame for all this wholesale. WTH is wrong with you?

And the saying: "there's always this one guy" doesn't "lump you in" with the other unrelated actions of other "liberal extremists" (and I don't even know where I stated that this behavior is distinctive of "liberal extremists"😉. On the contrary, it "lumps in" your -actions- (and only your actions, not who you are as a person) together -specifically-. W/c is actually the opposite of what you did and what you are trying to imply as to what I'm doing.

And FYI, my country has one of the highest % of Catholics in the world (and so does Brazil and Mexico) but you should know that we have events here that actually celebrate the LGBT community and AFAIK there hasn't been any news of us having anti-LGBT killing sprees (I will agree that there are some crazies here and there, but that is true for every country) and we also don't have laws that would condemn or kill anyone for being gay. So maybe you should try and be more specific to geography/culture/politics so that the innocent don't get lumped in with the guilty party?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Then open a separate thread to discuss the issue. For f*ck's sake, this is a tragedy where ppl died and your first response was to try and lump Catholics and Muslims together as if somehow our religion was somehow to blame for all this. WTH is wrong with you?

Im glad someone else sees this bullshit, fck him. This is coming from the guy who has been defending Islam for years now. Since he can't do that here now, he attacks Christians and Catholics and blames them for this attack.

He should leave the forum forever, its disgraceful to the people who died, who were murdered by this terrorist. Its dishonorable to the families, its biggoted towards Catholics and Christians and placing false blame on non involved people.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Because this was a religious attack on gays. You know, like the Christians who don't want gays to get married and protest the national same sex marriage bill, the one Trump wants to get rid of.

Or is it okay to not give them the right to marry but not okay to kill them in a terrorist attack? Is that the difference between Christianity and Islam, that both dehumanize gays and deny giving them equal human rights, but Christians just do it on a lesser level?

Are those excuses am hearing?

Tell me, when was the last time in the late 20's, 21st century Christians preached killing of people because of there sex, race, the defacing of there God is the right thing to do?

Lest sided with BLM and justified in their violent protests were justified in Ferguson and Baltimore.

But Christians holding signs in peaceful assembly against a government over reach of power through the supreme court is worse then this attack and its their fault.

Shameful disgraceful lunacy.

Originally posted by Lestov16

Or is it okay to not give them the right to marry but not okay to kill them in a terrorist attack? Is that the difference between Christianity and Islam, that both dehumanize gays and deny giving them equal human rights, but Christians just do it on a lesser level?

You just bring up denying someone a piece of paper vs mass murder.

My entire family is at Disney World in Orlando right now.

Reading this kinda made my stomach turn, but then I realized that the shooting happened at a gay bar and not Disney.

Im glad they are ok. Now get over here!

Excuse me? I never sided with the violence of BLM. I sided with their ideological cause, not the violence done in their name. That's like saying all Christians are violent because extremists murders gays in Uganda, or all Muslims are violent because extremists commit terrorist attacks, or that all Trump supporters/protesters are violent because a few commit assault, or that the United States Military is evil just because of the My Lai Massacre. Or that all whites are bad because of slavery.....

The examples can go on and on. Main point is every ideology has extremists and opportunists. That should never be used to judge the intrinsic merit of the ideology itself. It is this generalizing that led us into our current political climate, people who fear extremists and opportunists will abuse the ideology of government vs people who fear extremists and opportunists will abuse the ideology of capitalism.

One of my best friends lives in Orlando, and my family resides in Miami. When i first heard it, i was scared until i read the whole thing.

Originally posted by Surtur
You just bring up denying someone a piece of paper vs mass murder.

So you think some forms of intolerance are more acceptable than others. It's that kind of dehumanizing that snowballs into terrorist hate crimes like this.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Excuse me? I never sided with the violence of BLM. I sided with their ideological cause, not the violence done in their name. That's like saying all Christians are violent because extremists murders gays in Uganda, or all Muslims are violent because extremists commit terrorist attacks, or that all Trump supporters/protesters are violent because a few commit assault, or that the United States Military is evil just because of the My Lai Massacre. Or that all whites are bad because of slavery.....

The examples can go on and on. Main point is every ideology has extremists and opportunists. That should never be used to judge the intrinsic merit of the ideology itself. It is this generalizing that led us into our current political climate, people who fear extremists and opportunists will abuse the ideology of government vs people who fear extremists and opportunists will abuse the ideology of capitalism.

So capitalism, conservatism, Catholics, trumpists and white males are responsible for this attack.

You are reported for trolling, you are a sad, pathetic human being. I hope you are the only person in the world that has these thoughts right now. I ashamed to even know you. You stopped posting for a while, and you should have left it at that. I hope you leave KMC and never come back, you are never living this down.

Originally posted by Lestov16
So you think some forms of intolerance are more acceptable than others. It's that kind of dehumanizing that snowballs into terrorist hate crimes like this.

I think some things are worse than others. Just like you think a person should get a longer prison sentence for murder as opposed to robbery, right?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Then open a separate thread to discuss the issue. For f*ck's sake, this is a tragedy where ppl died and your first response was to try and lump Catholics and Muslims together as if somehow our religion was somehow to blame for all this wholesale. WTH is wrong with you?

And the saying: "there's always this one guy" doesn't "lump you in" with the other unrelated actions of other "liberal extremists" (and I don't even know where I stated that this behavior is distinctive of "liberal extremists"😉. On the contrary, it "lumps in" your -actions- (and only your actions, not who you are as a person) together -specifically-. W/c is actually the opposite of what you did and what you are trying to imply as to what I'm doing.

And FYI, my country has one of the highest % of Catholics in the world (and so does Brazil and Mexico) but you should know that we have events here that actually celebrate the LGBT community and AFAIK there hasn't been any news of us having anti-LGBT killing sprees (I will agree that there are some crazies here and there, but that is true for every country) and we also don't have laws that would condemn or kill anyone for being gay. So maybe you should try and be more specific to geography/culture/politics so that the innocent don't get lumped in with the guilty party?

People died because of religious homophobic intolerance! You say "LETZ JUSTZ MOURNZ DA PEEPLEZ" rather than discuss THE MOTIVATION OF THE ATTACK? Do you actually care? Because if you did you'd be discussing how prevent this from happening again, and considering the cause was religious homophobia, that would probably be a good starting place. For somebody who actually cared, at least.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So capitalism, conservatism, Catholics, trumpists and white males are responsible for this attack.

You are reported for trolling, you are a sad, pathetic human being. I hope you are the only person in the world that has these thoughts right now. I ashamed to even know you. You stopped posting for a while, and you should have left it at that. I hope you leave KMC and never come back, you are never living this down.

What? Did you even understand my post? I was giving rhetorical examples as to why ideologies should never be associated with the extremists/opportunists who abuse them. If anything I was defending Trump supporters you illiterate dumbass.

Originally posted by Lestov16
What? Did you even understand my post? I was giving rhetorical examples as to why ideologies should never be associated with the extremists/opportunists who abuse them. If anything I was defending Trump supporters you illiterate dumbass.

No you were not, you lying idiot.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Because this was a religious attack on gays. You know, like the Christians who don't want gays to get married and protest the national same sex marriage bill, the one Trump wants to get rid of.

Or is it okay to not give them the right to marry but not okay to kill them in a terrorist attack? Is that the difference between Christianity and Islam, that both dehumanize gays and deny giving them equal human rights, but Christians just do it on a lesser level?

Now get lost, loser.

Originally posted by Lestov16
People died because of religious homophobic intolerance! You say "LETZ JUSTZ MOURNZ DA PEEPLEZ" rather than discuss THE MOTIVATION OF THE ATTACK? Do you actually care? Because if you did you'd be discussing how prevent this from happening again, and considering the cause was [b]religious homophobia, that would probably be a good starting place. For somebody who actually cared, at least. [/B]

Who killed these people, dumbass??

Was it white christian anti gay conservative capitalists?

Or was it a racist biggot arab muslim terrorist?

Shameful, pathetic attempt and placing blame on people not responsible.

You will never live this down.

Originally posted by Surtur
I think some things are worse than others. Just like you think a person should get a longer prison sentence for murder as opposed to robbery, right?

That analogy makes no sense. It uses the analogy of homosexuality to violent crime when it should compared to an intrinsic trait like race or gender.

Again we are getting to the main point. Why is some intolerance more acceptable than others? Because the dehumanization of any unjust intolerance leads to massacres such as this.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
And this is what I'm commenting on:

Nice try, tho.

Nice try of what? Trying to get you both to agree on the part you actually agree on?

Originally posted by Lestov16
That analogy makes no sense. It uses the analogy of homosexuality to violent crime when it should compared to an intrinsic trait like race or gender.

Again we are getting to the main point. Why is some intolerance more acceptable than others? Because the dehumanization of any unjust intolerance leads to massacres such as this.

Large empty thesaurus words in sentences that mean nothing with no other attempt then to misplace blame.

You suck at being PC, much like everything else in life.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Who killed these people, dumbass??

Was it white christian anti gay conservative capitalists?

Or was it a racist biggot arab muslim terrorist?

Shameful, pathetic attempt and placing blame on people not responsible.

You will never live this down.

Again my point is proven! You want to focus purely on the Muslim aspect instead of the homophobic aspect!

Yes he was a Muslim! That means he hated gays. Why? Because all Abrahamic religions have homophobic dogma. That includes Christianity, seen today in homophobic sentiment toward the same sex marriage laws.

You're just trying to cherry pick the details, focus on the terrorist being Islamic but not WHY being Islamic made him a homophobic mass murderer.

Also, though, at no point have I blamed whites or conservatives or Trump supporters or anything like that for this attack. You're the one throwing this off topic and making this a matter of race and politics when it's a matter of religious homophobia.