The Classic IG was a very different animal then the current IG. The Classic IG made the user in effect God, at a time where the Celestials was portrayed as being above the likes of Kubik who in turn effortlessly warped a universe into a sphere. The same Celestials that Thanos stomped into Oblivion with little effort. The same IG in a incomplete state, managed to manipulate the energies of the UN with a thought. The UN wields energies that has the scope to wipe out a infinite Multiverse in the blink, and then recreate it. With that reasoning, which people are welcome to disagree with, Thanos from my perspective wins.
Originally posted by Utrigita
The Classic IG was a very different animal then the current IG. The Classic IG made the user in effect God, at a time where the Celestials was portrayed as being above the likes of Kubik who in turn effortlessly warped a universe into a sphere. The same Celestials that Thanos stomped into Oblivion with little effort. The same IG in a incomplete state, managed to manipulate the energies of the UN with a thought. The UN wields energies that has the scope to wipe out a infinite Multiverse in the blink, and then recreate it. With that reasoning, which people are welcome to disagree with, Thanos from my perspective wins.
That's so rational and logical, it must be wrong.
Originally posted by Utrigita
The Classic IG was a very different animal then the current IG. The Classic IG made the user in effect God, at a time where the Celestials was portrayed as being above the likes of Kubik who in turn effortlessly warped a universe into a sphere. The same Celestials that Thanos stomped into Oblivion with little effort.
This is, frankly, nothing compared to what Zeno has done with zero effort. He instantly destroyed the Future Trunks timeline, which contains:
-13 universes, including the 12 mainstream ones and the 13th universe that is infinitely more vast and houses the other 12
-a Cosmic Zamasu who had literally become one with the universe, and was warping time/space to the extent that the entirely alternate present timeline was even being affected/warped
-all of the angels such as Whis/Vados, who can defeat Beerus in a single blow, who in turn is casually universal.
Mind you, this is with literally no effort on Zeno's part. There may not even be an actual limit on Zeno's power, or at least ability to destroy.
Originally posted by Utrigita
The same IG in a incomplete state, managed to manipulate the energies of the UN with a thought. The UN wields energies that has the scope to wipe out a infinite Multiverse in the blink, and then recreate it. With that reasoning, which people are welcome to disagree with, Thanos from my perspective wins.
Actually, I don't recall that being the "same" IG at all, nor the same nullifier that was portrayed as Multiversal, (which, as I'm sure you know, is incredibly inconsistent with the standard portrayal of the nullifier anyways, and shouldn't be used as a set standard to measure IG Thanos).
Originally posted by cdtm
That's so rational and logical, it must be wrong.
Contrary to your beliefs, a DB fan can have a rational discussion with a comic fan. 🙂
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
This is, frankly, nothing compared to what Zeno has done with zero effort. He instantly destroyed the Future Trunks timeline, which contains:-13 universes, including the 12 mainstream ones and the 13th universe that is infinitely more vast and houses the other 12
-a Cosmic Zamasu who had literally become one with the universe, and was warping time/space to the extent that the entirely alternate present timeline was even being affected/warped
-all of the angels such as Whis/Vados, who can defeat Beerus in a single blow, who in turn is casually universal.Mind you, this is with literally no effort on Zeno's part. There may not even be an actual limit on Zeno's power, or at least ability to destroy.
Really? That is far from the impression I'm given in the anime. Where is it stated that the entire future multiverse is destroyed?
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Actually, I don't recall that being the "same" IG at all, nor the same nullifier that was portrayed as Multiversal, (which, as I'm sure you know, is incredibly inconsistent with the standard portrayal of the nullifier anyways, and shouldn't be used as a set standard to measure IG Thanos).
That is the same IG, given that the infinity gems it contained was the very same gems the LT had decreed not able to work in unison, after the LT confrontation with Adam Warlock, which lead to the creation of the Infinity Watch.
There also is no difference between the UN Quasar used against Magus, to the UN Reed used to reset the multiverse. I'm not using it as a standard meassure for Thanos, I'm merely stating the fact that the IG in a incomplete stated was able to control the nullification energy of a potential multiverse destroying weapon. I, with that in mind, find it very possible that Thanos with the IG will be able to control the energies of Zeno, given that the way those energies is described in the translated anime I've seen, is that Zeno erases. Hence I give Thanos the win.
Edit: Though it looks nothing like nullification having rewatched the anime.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Really? That is far from the impression I'm given in the anime. Where is it stated that the entire future multiverse is destroyed?
Pretty sure Trunks and Whis both mention the former's, "world" being erased, which most likely refers to the Future timeline. After all, when Whis talked about how Zeno can erase the entire "world" instantly, he was referring to the entire multiverse.
It was also confirmed by herms98 on twitter that Trunks' whole timeline was deleted.
Originally posted by Utrigita
That is the same IG, given that the infinity gems it contained was the very same gems the LT had decreed not able to work in unison, after the LT confrontation with Adam Warlock, which lead to the creation of the Infinity Watch.There also is no difference between the UN Quasar used against Magus, to the UN Reed used to reset the multiverse. I'm not using it as a standard meassure for Thanos, I'm merely stating the fact that the IG in a incomplete stated was able to control the nullification energy of a potential multiverse destroying weapon. I, with that in mind, find it very possible that Thanos with the IG will be able to control the energies of Zeno, given that the way those energies is described in the translated anime I've seen, is that Zeno erases. Hence I give Thanos the win.
Edit: Though it looks nothing like nullification having rewatched the anime.
Fair enough, though I was more referring to portrayal than literally being the same. For example: in one source, Galactus' fight with Scrier/Other was threatening the stability of the multiverse, in another, he's getting oneshotted by the merged celestial, slugging it out with Odin, doing battle with Mephisto in his realm, etc. The same Galactus, literally speaking, but inconsistent portrayals relative to the former. Same goes for the UN.
Zeno's energies are nothing like the UN, yeah. Not even sure if it was ki either. I tend to just refer to it as Zeno's divine light wiping clean the canvas of existence. 🙂
I find it important to note that Beerus, who's less than an atom compared to Zeno, can casually nullify universe-busting energy.
Originally posted by Galan007
The King *might*(key word) have a greater overall scope of power, but I still believe Thanos has a much greater depth of power within any given reality.So in a neutral setting/universe, Thanos should win.
If you're referring to Thanos' "oneness" with the universe that the gems provide, (essential omnipresence, omniscience, etc,) I think it's important to note that Zamasu in Super literally became one with the entire universe and was apparently warping time and space to the extent that the alternate present timeline was being affected/warped as well. Zeno casually annihilated him with zero effort.
/shrug