Originally posted by leonidas
this is why i think he needs a city setting to have a real chance here. imo pete would know the t-clap is thing's best bet so he'd play keep away. he could use webs from a distance to prevent constant t-claps then sneak in, land some haymakers, or just web-throw car after car at him wearing him down. it would be guerrilla warfare on pete's end, but i could see him netting some wins in that type of scenario, but it wouldn't be easy....in a ring you're right, he has no real chance.
Fair enough. I can agree with this. I don't think DS's scenario works, though, bc it has Pete staying in close range, which brings with it a much higher chance of failure.
Originally posted by Delta1938No, that reinforces my argument. Spider-Man has hurt many beings MORE durable than Thing. Adding in science then my argument is backed by both comics and science.
umm.....If that's where you're getting your argument, you don't understand what you're talking about.
Spidey can really put a hurting on Thing. It would just take about 20 or more hits. Slamming Thing into the ground is a viable option too.
Spidey can avoid Tclaps with Web shields, blinking behind Thing when he attempts a Tclap.
Spidey wins 10/10.
Last thing. Which has more kinetic energy, a 400lb football player hitting you at 10mph or a 200lb player hitting you at 20mph? The smaller (but faster player) hits with 2x more kinetic energy.
Originally posted by h1a8
No, that reinforces my argument. Spider-Man has hurt many beings MORE durable than Thing. Adding in science then my argument is backed by both comics and science.Spidey can really put a hurting on Thing. It would just take about 20 or more hits. Slamming Thing into the ground is a viable option too.
Spidey can avoid Tclaps with Web shields, blinking behind Thing when he attempts a Tclap.Spidey wins 10/10.
Last thing. Which has more kinetic energy, a 400lb football player hitting you at 10mph or a 200lb player hitting you at 20mph? The smaller (but faster player) hits with 2x more kinetic energy.
Actually, according to this, adding science shows you don't know what the **** you're talking about.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/quora/how-do-martial-artists-br_b_6879850.html
And on the Superman vs Namor/Hercules topic, you dismiss Namor's pretty consistent history of slugging it out with various Top-Tier bricks as PIS, because of feats you cite that are on a level much higher than Spider-Man.
Yet you're arguing that Spider-Man's examples of hurting opponents on Thing's level or higher count 'cuz they happened.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Actually, according to this, adding science shows you don't know what the **** you're talking about.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/quora/how-do-martial-artists-br_b_6879850.html
And on the Superman vs Namor/Hercules topic, you dismiss Namor's pretty consistent history of slugging it out with various Top-Tier bricks as PIS, because of feats you cite that are on a level much higher than Spider-Man.
Yet you're arguing that Spider-Man's examples of hurting opponents on Thing's level or higher count 'cuz they happened.
My post implied that the slabs are not as hard as solid think brick (or stone). That's why I said someone more than 100x stronger should break a material 100x more durable (stone?) . Solid stone should be less than 100x stronger. Thing's durability is analogous to solid stone I would say. Spidey has smashed through steel before and easily snapped iron chains.
I don't think it's PIS that Namor can hang with Hercules and Hulk. I just think Hercules is around Namors level. In general, these guys operate at around 100tons on average when fighting each other. When performing space cheese feats they obviously operate higher. That's why Thing (a true 100 ton being) can hang with them as well and have 0 space cheese feats (because he is always fixed at 100 tons).
Thing is about as strong as he is durable (balanced). Spider-Man is roughly 1/4th the strength as Thing with MA ability. He should easily damage Thing per hit. Thing is not Hulk, Thor, Colossus, etc. He is less durable than those guys.
All of this is moot. You are nitpicking. Let's get on with the debate. Do you think Spider-Man can damage Thing with a very serious punch when operating at his best?
Originally posted by h1a8
My post implied that the slabs are not as hard as solid think brick (or stone). That's why I said someone more than 100x stronger should break a material 100x more durable (stone?) . Solid stone should be less than 100x stronger. Thing's durability is analogous to solid stone I would say. Spidey has smashed through steel before and easily snapped iron chains.I don't think it's PIS that Namor can hang with Hercules and Hulk. I just think Hercules is around Namors level. In general, these guys operate at around 100tons on average when fighting each other. When performing space cheese feats they obviously operate higher. That's why Thing (a true 100 ton being) can hang with them as well and have 0 space cheese feats (because he is always fixed at 100 tons).
Thing is about as strong as he is durable (balanced). Spider-Man is roughly 1/4th the strength as Thing with MA ability. He should easily damage Thing per hit. Thing is not Hulk, Thor, Colossus, etc. He is less durable than those guys.
All of this is moot. You are nitpicking. Let's get on with the debate. Do you think Spider-Man can damage Thing with a very serious punch when operating at his best?
That's an excellent mental gymnastics routine.
You're basically making it up as you go along. Science shows that Martial Artists breaking stuff doesn't work the way you think it does. They're not getting their blows enhanced, it's the spot they're hitting it doesn't require nearly as much force as you'd think, and there's a trick to breaking multiple blocks stacked that doesn't transfer here.
Also, Thing has taken RPG fire, a lot better than chains, I would imagine steel(although I haven't seen the exact scene).
This is why I usually just scroll past your comments.
Originally posted by Delta1938
That's an excellent mental gymnastics routine.You're basically making it up as you go along. Science shows that Martial Artists breaking stuff doesn't work the way you think it does. They're not getting their blows enhanced, it's the spot they're hitting it doesn't require nearly as much force as you'd think, and there's a trick to breaking multiple blocks stacked that doesn't transfer here.
Also, Thing has taken RPG fire, a lot better than chains, I would imagine steel(although I haven't seen the exact scene).
This is why I usually just scroll past your comments.
What are you talking about? I'm not just referring to skill. But common sense. Skill is irrelevant. Again, if someone can break something then being more than 100x stronger they can break something 100x more durable. How is what you are saying have to do with that?
Thing is not more durable than solid steel.
Logan was able to hurt him with a adamantium kick (had adamantium skeleton). Spider-Man has bust through solid steel too.
I would say Thing is as durable as granite or strong rock. Bullet proof since his hide is very thick but able to be damaged by someone of Spidey's strength level.
Lastly it would definitely take more than 20 hits to take Things down. But Spider-Man would chip away and get it done.