Spiderman vs The Thing

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol what are you talking about? Thing is far more durable than granite. I don't even..what? If he had the durability of granite Hulk would of rendered him into tiny pebbles a long time ago.

For example,
Character's operate at different levels when fighting someone (plot based). Humans and lower beings have withstood (without dying) against beings much more powerful. Spider-Man is not bullet proof but shrugged off hits from the same beings. Does that make him more durable than granite?

In comic book fights, science is thrown out. A character can be literally thousands of times stronger and hit the weaker without killing or koing them.

That logic seems just as faulty.

Originally posted by h1a8
What are you talking about? I'm not just referring to skill. But common sense. Skill is irrelevant. Again, if someone can break something then being more than 100x stronger they can break something 100x more durable. How is what you are saying have to do with that?
Thing is not more durable than solid steel.
Logan was able to hurt him with a adamantium kick (had adamantium skeleton). Spider-Man has bust through solid steel too.

I would say Thing is as durable as granite or strong rock. Bullet proof since his hide is very thick but able to be damaged by someone of Spidey's strength level.

Lastly it would definitely take more than 20 hits to take Things down. But Spider-Man would chip away and get it done.

Do you do drugs?

Originally posted by Surtur
That logic seems just as faulty.

Careful here, h1math might give you a stroke. Better avoid him.

Originally posted by h1a8
What are you talking about? I'm not just referring to skill. But common sense. Skill is irrelevant. Again, if someone can break something then being more than 100x stronger they can break something 100x more durable. How is what you are saying have to do with that?
Thing is not more durable than solid steel.
Logan was able to hurt him with a adamantium kick (had adamantium skeleton). Spider-Man has bust through solid steel too.

I would say Thing is as durable as granite or strong rock. Bullet proof since his hide is very thick but able to be damaged by someone of Spidey's strength level.

Lastly it would definitely take more than 20 hits to take Things down. But Spider-Man would chip away and get it done.

So you bring-up people breaking concrete blocks and that Martial Arts "enhances strikes" as.....completely unrelated examples?

And you're really bad at this. Breaking that shit looks more impressive than it actually is, and I gave a link explaining the science behind it. It hardly if at all transfers to pulling the same thing off in a fight, assuming the same thing actually applies to Thing. And didn't Bruce Lee say "Boards don't hit back?"

Your argument about what you're arguing Thing's durability is would mean he'd be ****ed the time he's been hit with RPGs since they take out tanks and armored vehicles.

And boy am I wondering why you're arguing this considering what you say later.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ultimate Universe.

As always, you have no clue about this stuff we discuss here.

So yet another example that H1 doesn't read comics?

Originally posted by h1a8
bad logic. That's not how comics work. You can't Guage durability in quantifiable terms based off who struck him. Too many factors

For example,
Character's operate at different levels when fighting someone (plot based). Humans and lower beings have withstood (without dying) against beings much more powerful. Spider-Man is not bullet proof but shrugged off hits from the same beings. Does that make him more durable than granite?

In comic book fights, science is thrown out. A character can be literally thousands of times stronger and hit the weaker without killing or koing them.

The ****? You're contradicting yourself. By your argument, Spider-Man having broken steel is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Delta1938
So yet another example that H1 doesn't read comics?

Yeah. Not that we needed more proof.

My favourite one is when he went apeshit after I told him that Green Goblin didn't even have his powerset established on the beginning of his career. Such a Spider-Man fan, not even familiar with one of his main villains. Smh...

Originally posted by Delta1938
So you bring-up people breaking concrete blocks and that Martial Arts "enhances strikes" as.....completely unrelated examples?

And you're really bad at this. Breaking that shit looks more impressive than it actually is, and I gave a link explaining the science behind it. It hardly if at all transfers to pulling the same thing off in a fight, assuming the same thing actually applies to Thing. And didn't Bruce Lee say "Boards don't hit back?"

Your argument about what you're arguing Thing's durability is would mean he'd be ****ed the time he's been hit with RPGs since they take out tanks and armored vehicles.

And boy am I wondering why you're arguing this considering what you say later.

So yet another example that H1 doesn't read comics?

The ****? You're contradicting yourself. By your argument, Spider-Man having broken steel is irrelevant.

Yes, but that has nothing to do with the debate. You are nitpicking on something that contributes nothing to the debate. A normal human can't break those slabs. You have to have some skill involved.

But that's irrelevant. You are derailing the thread. My argument is that Spider-man can break something more than 100x more durable than what a human can break. This implies he can damage Thing. If you disagree then address that argument, not the irrelevant one about MA actually break slabs.
If someone argues 2 points where each can stand on its own and someone else attacks one of the points (but not the other) then their argument still stands as proof. Nitpicking doesn't destroy an argument, it derails it.

RPGs can't take out tanks at all. Where are you getting this from? They do squat shit to tanks.
They can take out very small armored vehicles though.
Show this feat where Thing tanks a RPG with a scan or give an issue number.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah. Not that we needed more proof.

My favourite one is when he went apeshit after I told him that Green Goblin didn't even have his powerset established on the beginning of his career. Such a Spider-Man fan, not even familiar with one of his main villains. Smh...

Stop lying, h1.

Originally posted by h1a8
Also, BS. Goblin has metahuman stats since his creation. Just read his first appearance.

😂

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Stop lying, h1.

😂

There was not even a subtle hint about him having enhanced stats back then.

Hell, when Norman started his supervillain career, he didn't even have his trademark glider. Used a flying broomstick instead.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
There was not even a subtle hint about him having enhanced stats back then.

Hell, when Norman started his supervillain career, he didn't even have his trademark glider. Used a flying broomstick instead.

Originally posted by Surtur
That logic seems just as faulty.

Of course it is. Comics often used faulty logic. That's why characters have contradictory low showings. You can prove that Thor > Thor with comic logic.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Firestorm is from DC, you noob 😛

Originally posted by TheHulk
😒 Sorry Firelord....

There was also Firestar, a few Firebrands and perhaps a dozen other characters with "Fire" in their names haermm

It's normal to confuse those names, but NEVER confuse Great Marvel Characters with stinking shit DC ones.

Thing stomps

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Thing stomps

How? With a TC? Because there is no way Thing is hitting Spidey?

Originally posted by h1a8
How? With a TC?

Yes.

Leo and I already walked through most of this. With a dense setting (probably city), intelligent use of web shields and hit & run tactics, Parker could wear down Thing. But he can't stay anywhere near melee range for more than a heartbeat or a T-clap is basically a dealbreaker. So then it becomes a cat & mouse game. In more barren or close-quarter settings, I think it nears or reaches 10/10 for Thing. But based on the locale and the resources available to Pete, he could close the gap and pull some wins.

Take t-claps away and this is an entirely different fight. I'd be entirely team Spidey in that case. But that would be disingenuous.

Originally posted by Digi
Yes.

Leo and I already walked through most of this. With a dense setting (probably city), intelligent use of web shields and hit & run tactics, Parker could wear down Thing. But he can't stay anywhere near melee range for more than a heartbeat or a T-clap is basically a dealbreaker. So then it becomes a cat & mouse game. In more barren or close-quarter settings, I think it nears or reaches 10/10 for Thing. But based on the locale and the resources available to Pete, he could close the gap and pull some wins.

Take t-claps away and this is an entirely different fight. I'd be entirely team Spidey in that case. But that would be disingenuous.

Oh ok, well I argued a way for Spidey to get around TCs (in several posts very early in the thread).
1. Web shields.
2. Blur behind Thing before when he starts his motion to TC. Spidey will be dancing around Thing anyway from close distance, popping him from all angles. TCs only work from the front of the clapper, not from the back.

Another way Spidey can attack is to web Thing and sling slam him into the ground Or just grab his leg and slam him unto the ground repeatedly. Thing shouldn't drawn a mustache on Mary Jane's picture and laughed about it.

Honestly, has any brick actually done a t-clap spam in comics?

They clap once and that's it. Sure, msg boards battles may be a bit different, but they really shouldn't be.