HoT is the only one who can face weakened Vitiate. You can't even choose anyone other than T7 cause he'll just dominate them, and HoT himself was broken at first. Orgus Din says that he made HoT do terrible things and HoT doesn't even remember them. Same with Braga, and let's keep in mind that these are events happening while the Emperor is out there multitasking like a mofo. I assume Vitiate will have the luxury of giving his %100 in this fight, in which case I'm not sure how Vader or Galen can resist him, unless you think Sheev's TP >>> Vitiate's TP.
Originally posted by Sinious
HoT is the only one who can face weakened Vitiate. You can't even choose anyone other than T7 cause he'll just dominate them, and HoT himself was broken at first. Orgus Din says that he made HoT do terrible things and HoT doesn't even remember them. Same with Braga, and let's keep in mind that these are events happening while the Emperor is out there multitasking like a mofo. I assume Vitiate will have the luxury of giving his %100 in this fight, in which case I'm not sure how Vader or Galen can resist him, unless you think Sheev's TP >>> Vitiate's TP.
Vitiate was 100% in the Revan novel, correct?
Seeing how unstable RotJ Vader is with the whole Luke thing going on and seeing how Galen's mind is a ****ing mess, and also seeing how Sidious can TP Vader from across the galaxy, I doubt Vitiate wouldn't be capable of dominating their minds, tbh. But that's not what the thread is about.
Vader being the canonical most powerful Sith [which is still ambiguous imo] has nothing to do with this fight because Vitiate is Legends...
Anyway, I'm not sure who wins this.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'm mobile atm, but wasn't there a quote that says HOT or Braga was just simply too strong for him to control?
He did control Braga, actually. Its just that Braga broke free at some point afterwards, probably after being sent on his mission. Similar to how Revan and Malak broke his control when given time and freedom upon returning to the Republic and warped his instructions in their minds.
Originally posted by Sinious
Well given I remember the exact opposite, and seeing how Ant seems to recall it that way as well, I'm gonna have to see it. 🙂
From my respect thread:
Vitiate tacitly agrees that he can't control the Hero of Tython's mind, admitting that s/he's stronger than they once were:
"You won't control me again. I'm stronger than I was back then."
"Yes. I feel it."
There's also a bunch of other stuff that might be for every Outlander. Valkorion states you're the only one to ever match his will to survive. Get dunked Revan, Valky bringing the heat!
Originally posted by NephthysAh, thanks. This has already been addressed though. "Again" is the key word. Prior experience is the most important factor in defending against Vitiate's TP, and Valkorion concedes to HoT's self-praise all the time.
From my respect thread:Vitiate tacitly agrees that he can't control the Hero of Tython's mind, admitting that s/he's stronger than they once were:
"You won't control me again. I'm stronger than I was back then."
"Yes. I feel it."
Originally posted by ILS
Using this no-limits fallacy, Vitiate vs the Ones GG get rekt c u l8r.Doesn't really work like that.
No, I never said it's a no-limits ability, nor do I believe that. I'm just saying things as they are: he mind-rapes everyone he faces for the first time, if he wants to. At least, all he's faced so far.
Of course, if he was to face someone like Sidious, the odds of Vit mind-raping him are slim to none.