Originally posted by Delta1938
So the fact that even when John did that from behind while Supes was focused on Wally, Superman STILL NOTICED what John was doing BEFORE it finished, and LET it finish, somehow means his speed is worth a **** in a head on fight.So, are you lying or just wrong? 😆
Noticing someone and reacting are two different things which is the reason Superman said "quicker on the draw".
He didn't let anything finish. He let the OTHERS finish their moves and then he proceeded at breaking out of John's construct. He didn't allow John to do anything. Think you read that scene wrong buddy.
Originally posted by carver9
Noticing someone and reacting are two different things which is the reason Superman said "quicker on the draw".He didn't let anything finish. He let the OTHERS finish their moves and then he proceeded at breaking out of John's construct. He didn't allow John to do anything. Think you read that scene wrong buddy.
That is an idiotic argument even coming from you. It's clear that he noticed it BEFORE John had finished, when John started it from behind against Superman focused on someone else. This is ****ing worthless in a head-on fight. I did NOT read the scene wrong. Your reading comprehension is terrible, as I've pointed-out with other examples you've argued and ran away from when you didn't have an answer.
I showed Hal being too slow for Professor Zoom but Superman wasn't, something you ignored, and it was head-on.
We've got Gor punking both John and Hal simultaneously.
I mean clearly the fact that he attacked from behind is irrelevant by your standards, so that shouldn't be an issue. They couldn't react in time, BOTH of them, and by your own argument this would be a cakewalk for Superman since Superman>Gor. Hell, he one-shot Gor in the following scene.
Or how about the fact that Doctor Alchemy controlled Barry had disarmed 400 GLs before they could react?
Even if Superman were only 1% as fast as Barry, he could easily disarm Hal 4 times before Hal could react, unless you can prove Hal would react significantly faster than those other GLs.
But keep clinging to your mental gymnastic to justify your out of context argument that your own scan debunks. 🙂 😄 😆 hysterical crylaugh
Originally posted by Pillow Biter
Really, it's 2016 and battleboards have been up for nearly twenty years. And some people still don't understand that comics are not realistic, and that by convention super speed rarely gets used to its full potential.
I'm not sure what you're talking about here. People get that characters in comics do not always use their powers as well as they could.
For example let us say there is a comic where it's supposed to feature a fight between Superman and Hal Jordan. You aren't going to have it just be "Superman speeds over and snatches the ring before Hal can react, then easily defeats him". You need to tell a story in a comic. We don't need to tell a story here.
So we have no reason to say a character wouldn't use a certain power unless we have legitimate reasons to believe the person lacks the intellectual capacity to comprehend how useful their powers would be if used in a certain way. Superman is not stupid. Superman also knows Hal Jordan well and knows exactly what he is capable of. That knowledge combined with the fact he has no need to hold back for the sake of the plot should mean he will indeed use his speed.
It's like it's 2003 and I'm on the CBR Rumbles board.
If we rated fights your way, our hierarchy of characters would bare no relation to how they are ranked in the comics. There are a number of very good reasons why speed is not used realistically in comics very often. But at the end of the day, they don't matter. What matters is simply the fact that it isn't.
The main reason is to suit the plot. That is what it is 99% of the time. We don't go by how they are ranked in comics, that is irrelevant. We go by feats. Feats show Superman has super speed.
Nobody said there aren't good reasons speed isn't used in a comic. These comic companies are out to make money. They need stories, they need fights that go on for more than one panel. I repeat: we do not require that here.
Characters that aren't stupid routinely fight like morons in comics and you feel this is the better alternative?
As fun as debating can be, I feel you need to tether it to the actual comics. It still should be a form of literary exegesis, even if a nerdy one. For example, the Flash is capable of stealing speed. In theory, he could simply freeze Superman. EVERY TIME. Flash vs. Superman should be 10/10 for the Flash.
Is that really how we want the outcomes of our debates to be? Something that bares no relation to how the characters actually interact in the books?
Originally posted by SurturYou can't alter the evidence to suit your own subjective views on how these fights go. If we go down your line of debating it's just power set debating and we lose the characters themselves. There's a reason cbr crashed and burned. Whats even worse certain characters cherry picked feats were fine and dandy while others were deemed pis and ignored outright. The point is it became subjective street which is the worst manner in which anyone can debate.
The main reason is to suit the plot. That is what it is 99% of the time. We don't go by how they are ranked in comics, that is irrelevant. We go by feats. Feats show Superman has super speed.Nobody said there aren't good reasons speed isn't used in a comic. These comic companies are out to make money. They need stories, they need fights that go on for more than one panel. I repeat: we do not require that here.
Characters that aren't stupid routinely fight like morons in comics and you feel this is the better alternative?
