Aquaman vs. Wonder Man (h2h)

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Originally posted by riv6672
I do see it as close, with WM having the edge. In a h2h fight.
Granted, i dont think of DC Herc as a peer to MU Herc, and believe WM has greater durability, and dont believe lifting feats are all that count in a fight.

I mean, Punisher can likely bench press more than Lady Shiva, but i wouldnt say he wins a h2h fight against her.

Shiva is more skilled then Punisher by alot and the strength difference between them isn't thousands apart.

Are you suggesting Simon is more skilled? Any feats to back that up?

Strength so far looks like Arthur
Durability so far looks like Simon

I'm sure either can hurt each other with physical strikes considering who theyve traded blows with, but so far it seems undisputed that Aquaman is faster and more skilled,

According to thread it sounds like Hyperion killed Wonder Man. Wheras I'd like to bring up Aquaman surviving beatings from Titus, Amazo, and Hercules. Which The Shazam Darkseid War oneshot confirms that Shazam has the strength of Hercules.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
classic Hyperion and WM fought, and their punches rocked a planetoid.

WM is really underrated.

Aquaman is unlikely to ever be compared to a Sentry-level character either as Simon was.

DC52 Aquaman if we're going by statements has bee suggested as one of the strongest characters on DC Earth.

Pre-Flashpoint has feats like overpowering an All-Knowing a race shown capable of beating up Powergirl.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Are you suggesting Simon is more skilled? Any feats to back that up?

Well, he was trained by Cap. But so were great many Avengers.

Don't recall any particularly impressive skill showings from him, other than the hold he used on Rulk, but that was when Rulk was weaker and Simon got stronger.

Yeah I'll probably assume even with a lack of feats Arthur sounds more skilled given he was able to break out of holds Diana put him in as well as put her in a couple holds which seemed pretty even.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Shiva is more skilled then Punisher...

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
the strength difference between them isn't thousands apart.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Are you suggesting Simon is more skilled? Any feats to back that up?

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Strength so far looks like Arthur
Durability so far looks like Simon

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I'm sure either can hurt each other with physical strikes

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
it seems undisputed that Aquaman is...more skilled,

Originally posted by riv6672
That was my point.

It isnt thousands (of whatever you meant) apart between WM and AQ either.

IMO its close. WM calmly choking out Rulk, a character i DO see as stronger than AQ is an impressive enough feat for me.

Agree.
Its close. I'd probably lean towards WM most days.

I'm sure of that too.

Obviously not. 😛

There's nothing showing Simon as more skilled then Arthur in this thread as of yet.

Originally posted by carver9
A pyramid and a mountain and Wonder Woman wasn't fighting him.

Somehow you were wrong TWICE, assuming you're referencing what I think you are.

You weren't talking about JL 16, I hope.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
There's nothing showing Simon as more skilled then Arthur in this thread as of yet.

I've said before these threads arent about changing minds just re-stating opinions. This is a great example. I mean, i'm enjoying the conversation(s), dont misunderstand, no hard feelings on my part over disagreeing on which character wins, or attempt to give anyone any.

Originally posted by riv6672
Do you want me to post the scan? I doubt it'll change your mind.

I've said before these threads arent about changing minds just re-stating opinions. This is a great example. I mean, i'm enjoying the conversation(s), dont misunderstand, no hard feelings on my part over disagreeing on which character wins, or attempt to give anyone any.

If you have a scan that'll prove he's more skilled and it does then I'll back down. When I enter these threads and when it comes to characters I'm not to knowledgeable about I don't already have a winner in mind, I simply ask what a characters capable of and then base my opinions on what's shown.

I almost thought Simon was stronger then current Aquaman with the Pyramid statement but then that was disproven now I'd rather see evidence for any claims made.

Okay, but it wont change your mind...😛

Originally posted by riv6672
Okay, but it wont change your mind...😛

Its a nice choke hold find it weird that Ross didnt utter a word though. ARegardless Aquaman has feats again of breaking out of a hold from Wonder Woman. Quite reptile of me I know, when you suggested Simon had superior skill I was assuming you had scans of him doing well against established fighters. Not suggesting besting an opponent Skill vs Strength isn't

Aquaman vs Wonder Woman

http://imgur.com/a/88fW0

It's impressive that Wonder Man was able to restrain Rulk though but in terms of restraining characters Aquaman was able to restrain Martian Manhunter and Hercules for a panel only, but both having to resort to the situation with J'onn using his shapeshifing and Hercules using the location to get Aquaman off him so it's not like either outmuscled him either.

J'onn couldn't be knocked out though considering he had several spirits in his body so it was them in his conscious.

Strength: Temporarily restrains Martian Manhunter

http://imgur.com/H2Mnv8t

Second panel of the Arthur vs Diana fight he breaks out of her hold and counters with his own.

Making belive he's capable of getting out of holds even from stronger opponents

Other established fighters he's faced would be Cheshire with Aquaman holding back

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace

Strength so far looks like Arthur

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I think Simon edges him featwise.

I'd probably have to see it, lifting a City Street (Block) or Sealing up the Trench doesn't seem matched at the moment. Based off only building sized feats.

Strength: Lifts a City street

http://imgur.com/o9z9gjn

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111173561/4875960-6357227766-48759.jpg

I don't thinking striking power and physical strength are the same thing and regardless just like Simon seems to have traded blows with top tier characters but so has Aquaman, and when it comes to hurting characters with his strikes.

Striking: "You hurt me" - Amazo.

http://imgur.com/a/EiKaG

Striking: Punches Titus

http://imgur.com/0HHvqGW

In regards to statements
Strength: "Like the strongest people on Earth"

http://imgur.com/PmaR71A

Strength: "In our League?"

http://imgur.com/wtATi9D

None of those can match it. Not even close to be honest. Plus this should be N52 as per forum rules.

Anyways, not saying Simon is far beyond Arthur in strength. He just has a better list of feats.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
None of those can match it. Not even close to be honest. Plus this should be N52 as per forum rules.

Anyways, not saying Simon is far beyond Arthur in strength. He just has a better list of feats.

Which yet to be shown the Trench thing is above building level as well.

I used the Pre-Flashpoint feats because the Sub-Diego instance keeps being brought up.

Regardless
The Aquaman vs Wonder Woman fight shows Arthur of now in the thread has better Skill

and

The Trench instance shows better strength.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Which yet to be shown the Trench thing is above building level as well.

I used the Pre-Flashpoint feats because the Sub-Diego instance keeps being brought up.

Regardless
The Aquaman vs Wonder Woman fight shows Arthur of now in the thread has better Skill

and

The Trench instance shows better strength.

Not sure what you're trying to say here..

Originally posted by riv6672
Okay, but it wont change your mind...😛

Havent seen that in a while. Man he shut Rulk down 100 percent with ease.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
None of those can match it. Not even close to be honest. Plus this should be N52 as per forum rules.

Anyways, not saying Simon is far beyond Arthur in strength. He just has a better list of feats.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...27766-48759.jpg

Id advise you to look up what a Trench is.