Aquaman vs. Wonder Man (h2h)

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
1. Did I say he lifted an island? Did I say the pillar wasn't providing any support? You're a little confused methinks.

2. At one point as per the scan, he supported the highly unbalanced side by himself.

3. Did anyone say otherwise?

4. K.. Just in case you weren't aware, his booster is not a separate entity. It is directly connected to him. Pretend the booster did not exist and his flight is portrayed like a standard flying brick a la Superman. For them to function, it utilizes his very own ionic energies. That's essentially how they work.

Its questionable how much pressure he's actually holding, how much tons of force based on context in the scan.

Do you have a scan suggesting that the Jets use his very own power, I could probably believe that give the amount of additional blast energy coming out of the boost but any scans? Also how does he use this ionic power to increase his strength when without the boots?

How much is balancing an island lifting wise when it comes to estimating?

yeah i'm still not loving the island thing. not saying it's not a good feat--it's obviously solid, but it' impossible to know what percent of the island is still being supported by the pillar even for the "moment" the shield is dropped. look at the size of the pillar relative to the platform--it's pretty damn large so it must be supporting a great deal of the mass despite the slippage that he halted very briefly.

meh, it's a good feat but too many other things going on for me to call it more than that.

i think initially people were thinking simon was much stronger than AM. clearly that is no longer the case. i think it would be a close fight still with skill to AM and durability to simon. still close to a split imo with maybe a revised edge to AM 6/10.

Even in the precrisis days Aquaman was strong enough to knock J'onn on his ass. His strength wasn't shown nearly as consistently as it could have been, especially during the David/Abnett and Lanning days, sure, but we're finally seeing, imo, a proper concentration of feats that put him in his rightful place (at around Wonder Woman level).

That definitely puts him in Simon's league, imo.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Its questionable how much pressure he's actually holding, how much tons of force based on context in the scan.

Do you have a scan suggesting that the Jets use his very own power, I could probably believe that give the amount of additional blast energy coming out of the boost but any scans? Also how does he use this ionic power to increase his strength when without the boots?

How much is balancing an island lifting wise when it comes to estimating?

I don't so just take my word for it. The only way I'd be wrong is if I misremembered it. I wouldn't lie to you. I'm not Abhi after all. 😛

Later on he developed the ability to fly without the need for boosters.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah i'm still not loving the island thing. not saying it's not a good feat--it's obviously solid, but it' impossible to know what percent of the island is still being supported by the pillar even for the "moment" the shield is dropped. look at the size of the pillar relative to the platform--it's pretty damn large so it must be supporting a great deal of the mass despite the slippage that he halted very briefly.

meh, it's a good feat but too many other things going on for me to call it more than that.

i think initially people were thinking simon was much stronger than AM. clearly that is no longer the case. i think it would be a close fight still with skill to AM and durability to simon. still close to a split imo with maybe a revised edge to AM 6/10.

Wonder Man has fought
Hulk, Thor, Hyperion, Cage, Namor, Captain Britain, Gladiator, Hercules, Rulk and many more.

I think he's got a bit of showings to take an average for skill. Strength feats he's got a bunch aswell, but not many big time wow factor strength feats ( not saying he can't do them).

Of the two who do you guys think hits harder? Because in a h2h that can come in to play.

I'll give WM the edge in hitting power, mostly due to flight speed though.

No one actually mentioned that Simon was much stronger than AM. A Few posed that AM had a strength advantage to which this debate on strength really began.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
But that trench feat is well below shaking an entire planet(mini) just from shockwaves.
Why would he need to have a showing moving something greater?

Anyways... Here Grulk throws a big @$$ Las Vegas pyramid on the Avengers. Wonder Man(and Iron Man) catches it and chucks it up in the air.

I assume, with the jetbelt, that takes place earlier despite the scans look more contemporary?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
4. K.. Just in case you weren't aware, his booster is not a separate entity. It is directly connected to him. Pretend the booster did not exist and his flight is portrayed like a standard flying brick a la Superman. For them to function, it utilizes his very own ionic energies. That's essentially how they work.

This a retcon, or something I forgot/missed? Not arguing, just don't recall that from that era and this piqued my curiosity.

Probably a retcon.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I assume, with the jetbelt, that takes place earlier despite the scans look more contemporary?

"Hulk Smash Avengers" mini told 4 tales:

- Original "Avengers" Hulk era
- Classic Savage Hulk era
- Fixit era
- Red Hulk era

In the actual modern era, Simon does not need those boosters to fly (although he sometimes forgets he has the ability, similar as Warpath).

Ha, i forgot Warpath can fly. 😂

What's even funnier... he suddenly remembered he had that ability... at the end of Kyle's and Yost's X-Force book.

Better late than never, right? haermm

His brother...

...would agree with you.

😂

He was so suicidal there, having a flight ability probably wouldn't have mattered for him at all. He did turn down Banshee's offer to save him, after all.

How has Nefaria survived that? He had no powers back then.

I dont recall. I'll have to look it up.

Did you hear it was almost Wolverine on the plane, as both he and TBird were so similar? The soon to be on the book John Byrne lobbied to save his fellow Canadian though.

Originally posted by riv6672
Probably a retcon.

Yeah, unless I missed/forgot something(certainly could be the case), it's looking more like a retcon. Not that I think it's relevant to the topic, just something I wanna know.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
"Hulk Smash Avengers" mini told 4 tales:

- Original "Avengers" Hulk era
- Classic Savage Hulk era
- Fixit era
- Red Hulk era

In the actual modern era, Simon does not need those boosters to fly (although he sometimes forgets he has the ability, similar as Warpath).

Yep, I knew, I think at least since the mid-90's, he could fly on his own. So I wondered if that was a flashback or something had happened and he lost it. Fixit could have just happened for whatever reason, but now it's occurred to me that's the line-up, costumes and all, of the early West Coast Avengers(before the regular series became AVENGERS WEST COAST). Thanks for confirming what I thought.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
How has Nefaria survived that? He had no powers back then.

According to this...

http://www.writeups.org/thunderbird-proudstar-xmen-marvel-comics/

Furiously, Thunderbird pummelled the aircraft until finally it exploded, killing him instantly. Nefaria, however, had reached safety through teleportation.

Originally posted by riv6672
I dont recall. I'll have to look it up.

It wasn't revealed in UXM how he survived, so I guess it was some other series... Avengers, perhaps?

Originally posted by riv6672
Did you hear it was almost Wolverine on the plane, as both he and TBird were so similar? The soon to be on the book John Byrne lobbied to save his fellow Canadian though.

Yes, I did. Similar tempers, powersets even. One had to go. Glad it wasn't Wolverine 😛

Originally posted by riv6672
According to this...

http://www.writeups.org/thunderbird-proudstar-xmen-marvel-comics/

Ah. Thanks.

Hoped for something more original, but oh well.