Meetra Surik vs. Ahsoka Tano (Rebels)

In regards to cut content, I think its important to distinguish between what was intended to make the final cut but simply did not, and what was simply cut and therefore not intended.

For example the cut content featuring Traya arriving on Malachor and choking out Sion was very likely intended, as it doesn't contradict but rather supports in-game events.

On the other hand I still have my doubts on Traya telekinetically dominating the Council, its not as if that event was cut from the game, it's there, it just happens in different and frankly far smoother manner.

I also struggle to believe that Traya could dominate all three JC members at once, and yet be unable to overpower Meetra on a nexus. Despite two out of three of those JC members being capable of stunning and incapacitating the Exile themselves.

Which leads me to believe it was not intended.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
And in all of those four threads this is the first time someone actually bothered to spam all of that shit. And now that I've seen that shit I'm reassessing my opinion.

How is this any different from you debating me on Kas'im vs Shaak for several pages despite your own admittance that you barely remember the source material?

The fact is you obviously lack an understanding on the era since you forgot every major scene with the council in them, yet continue to make assertions on characters from the game. I don't really care whether you change your mind, because as I said I personally don't care where you rate any of the characters. The fact however that you're willing to spew arguments about things you know next to nothing on, speaks volumes about you.

And those episodes were released as part of the Clone Wars legacy project iirc, whereas I don't take the cut content of released TCW episodes (such as Maul throwing Sheev against the wall) seriously.

Exactly, those episodes were released in that form because the Clone Wars was cancelled, much like the scenes were missing from KotOR II because the game was released against time schedules, and the script wasn't fully translated.

There's a difference between things being taken out because they're shoddy and things being left because of a lack of time.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
In regards to cut content, I think its important to distinguish between what was intended to make the final cut but simply did not, and what was simply cut and therefore not intended.

For example the cut content featuring Traya arriving on Malachor and choking out Sion was very likely intended, as it doesn't contradict but rather supports in-game events.

On the other hand I still have my doubts on Traya telekinetically dominating the Council, its not as if that event was cut from the game, it's there, it just happens in different and frankly far smoother manner.

I also struggle to believe that Traya could dominate all three JC members at once, and yet be unable to overpower Meetra on a nexus. Despite two out of three of those JC members being capable of stunning and incapacitating the Exile themselves.

Which leads me to believe it was not intended.

Semi-agreed, I don't like the council analogy because she ragdolls them in the original game anyway....

Not in my copy. 🙂

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Not in my copy. 🙂

Oh, just to clarify I'm referring to her force wave, and the way she treats Vrook.

Ah I see, though that's much more stayed and sense making.

Ahsoka still wins tbh tho. Vader >> Nyriss, and Ahsoka did better against the former than Meetra against the ladder. 🙂

Fantastic, I realized I made a major error when Beni posted, and I intend to familiarize myself with KOTOR II content when I get home from vacation. I made a major oversight and intend to learn from my mistakes.

I do not for a second however believe that singular mistake invalidates everything I have done or everything I am as a debater, and if you think that mistake makes me a shit debater, then you're making a judgement off of little information, which is the type of mistake that started this convo to begin with.

I'll concede that I ****ed up, but you suggesting this makes me a dumbass, a shit debater, or not worth debating is a serious overreaction and quite frankly contradicted by the fact that I've at least held my own against you in our debate and actually managed to impress you.

You're not wrong, anyways. KOTOR 2 characters sans Nihilus are still shit in terms of power and skill, relative to the likes of Ahsoka. 🙂

50% cancur 50% love, what do I do. 🙂

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Fantastic, I realized I made a major error when Beni posted, and I intend to familiarize myself with KOTOR II content when I get home from vacation. I made a major oversight and intend to learn from my mistakes.

I do not for a second however believe that singular mistake invalidates everything I have done or everything I am as a debater, and if you think that mistake makes me a shit debater, then you're making a judgement off of little information, which is the type of mistake that started this convo to begin with.

I'll concede that I ****ed up, but you suggesting this makes me a dumbass, a shit debater, or not worth debating is a serious overreaction and quite frankly contradicted by the fact that I've at least held my own against you in our debate and actually managed to impress you.

Calm down. Selenial's a douche sometimes. Nothing new here.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
50% cancur 50% love, what do I do. 🙂

Oh c'mon. You think Meetra could hold her own against the mighty Vader like Ahsoka did? She barely held her ground against Nyriss. 🙂

Tbfh if we take that to be prime Meetra and assess all parties by their feats then Nyriss > Vader. 🙂

Or we can accept that Avellone puts Vader above Nihilus, and scale everyone off of that. The Novel scales Meetra accurately, tbfh. 🙂

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Oh c'mon. You think Meetra could hold her own against the mighty Vader like Ahsoka did? She barely held her ground against Nyriss. 🙂

Someone who beat Traya in the heart of Malachor after fighting legions of Sith and killing Sion 4 times in a row on a gravity well should be able to stand up to Vader, yes.

Sel stuck a nerve. SW debating is serious business.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Fantastic, I realized I made a major error when Beni posted, and I intend to familiarize myself with KOTOR II content when I get home from vacation. I made a major oversight and intend to learn from my mistakes.

I do not for a second however believe that singular mistake invalidates everything I have done or everything I am as a debater, and if you think that mistake makes me a shit debater, then you're making a judgement off of little information, which is the type of mistake that started this convo to begin with.

I'll concede that I ****ed up, but you suggesting this makes me a dumbass, a shit debater, or not worth debating is a serious overreaction and quite frankly contradicted by the fact that I've at least held my own against you in our debate and actually managed to impress you.

First:

Originally posted by Nephthys
Calm down.

Second, I never said anything about it invalidating anything you've done as a debater, nor that your'e now shit tier. I merely acknowledged that someone who is willing to continuously talk about things they know nothing about is not someone I want to debate.

I appreciate you admitting it was a "major oversight" and a "**** up", but the fact is it wasn't your singular statement that was the problem. It's the fact you feel confident ridiculing arguments made by AP or other supporters of KotOR II Era characters when you know next to nothing of the source material.

Nihilus, Vader's inferior, would oneshot the Trayus Academy. 🙂🙂🙂

But honestly, video game feats are kind of retarded in general. Ranging from Kyle Katarn beating VOTJ Jerec and an amped Desann, (who at least did okay unamped against Luke,) Jaden Korr slaughtering through armies of Reborn at age 13, Revan's SF Massacre, and the litany of SWTOR feats, (like Revan Kek-shotting Marr and co, and I know you rate Marr/Satele/Lana higher than most do). If anything, Drew's portrayal of Meetra's power falls in line with Avellone's reasoning that Vader > Nihilus. Kyle Katarn received a similar, "nerfing," in the various novels he's portrayed in. Jaden did too, AFAIK.

Oh, and you can't forget the HoU.

Source on Vader > Nihilus?