Originally posted by AncientPower
She goes from the spaceport to the market and trades for information brokers. Eventually she contacts Sechel to find Scourge who was in T3's hologram, she goes to a cave she uses as a hideout and tries to meditate, she fails to do so and awaits Lord Scourge. She demolishes Murtog and his mercenaries before conversing with Scourge, she waits expecting an ambush from him until he returns and finally they go to Nyriss' compound.She didn't sleep, meditate or eat in that time. It is after they break Revan out that they get some hours to rest and decide to sit watching Bastila and his son.
She also had the hyperspace trip there and we aren't told that she lands on Dromund Kaas immediately upon arriving. She could have rested at those times. And you're obviously glossing over her search for Sechel. "Eventually" meaning she had 2 days of free reign to rest. An appointment is booked for Meetra to meet with Sechel in 2 days by Larvit, after which she has no reason not to replenish herself. She isn't searching at that point, she has literally nothing else to do. After meeting Sechel, she has time to rest before he sets up the meeting with Scourge. Afterwards Scourge leaves her for a day, during which she attempts to meditate, true, but there's no indication that's what she did the entire time. She could have easily rested and then tried to meditate.
You cannot possibly say that she didn't sleep, meditate or eat because there are numerous long stretches of unaccounted for time during which she could easily do those things. Like I said, you're 100% lying and warping the facts about this. Anyone who takes to time to look at the book can see this. I've let you get away with these claims because I couldn't be bothered to actually read what happened but now that I have it's inarguable that Meetra had many opportunities to eat and sleep and not a shred of evidence that she was weakened at all.
If Meetra really did do all of this and knowingly went into combat without eating or resting for 7 days despite all of those opportunities to do so and this actually harmed her performance, then she is literally the stupidest being in the galaxy. She deserved to be stabbed in the back because she is just that ****ing retarded. Ahsoka could say someones behind her and she'd fall for it.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
The inquisitors are honestly more impressive than those council members tbf.
Christ seems folks need to be again reminded what the KOTOR Jedi Council are capable of.
Kavar stuns Vaklu's troops without so much as a gesture:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8lebLFZqsI&t=8m24s
Stuns the Exile with a Force push and generates a Force wave that incapacitates almost half a dozen soldiers:
Zez-Kai Ell was able to blow Hanharr away with enough Force to render him unconscious:
Kavar was able to place the Exile in stasis against her will:
And was able to strike the Exile and her companion with enough telekinetic Force to incapacitate them both:
And through presumably their combined power the Council were capable of severing the Exile from the Force:
"It is a punishment reserved for only a few - and only when necessary, but we have the power to cut you off from the Force, and it must be done."Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
"The Jedi captured you and the Council used the Force to reprogram your mind; they wiped away your identity and turned you against your own followers."Which is legit more than Vitiate ever managed lmao.Source: Knights of the Old Republic.
Inferior to the Inquisitors my ass, they'd ragdoll. 😂
Neph.
You aren't even remotely familiar with Kotor 2 are you? Meetra takes meditation sessions, like the very first night on Citadel Station she meditates and the same is true every other time the Exile takes a rest with any companions. Ever heard of Mical? Well on Dromund Kaas she can't do that.
Meetra researches Dromund Kaas and the Empire whilst there, or did you suddenly forget that in your obviously in-depth studies? She does have time between meetings, but did you think she found out all she did about the modern day Empire by sitting on her ass the entire time? 😬
Continue spewing accusations at me if you want but it's not going to provide any argument against the fact that Meetra, just like every other noted Jedi who ever went to Dromund Kaas, was negatively effected to a point that her most valuable stated asset isn't available to her.
Stop getting so defensive over this apparent personal offense to your HoT wank.
Originally posted by NephthysI said more than he ever managed dear, extenuating circumstances aside that is true. 😉
Yeah, messing with the guy with brain damage's head. Way better than Vitiate.
Originally posted by SunRazerOops, got the names mixed up.
Vrook placed the Exile in Stasis, not Kavar. But yeah, those three >> the Inquisitors.
Originally posted by AncientPowerYet as far as I remember, only Vrook makes a gesture, any proof of this?
It was the three of them together that actually freezes the Exile, who is evidently not actually fighting back.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Neph.You aren't even remotely familiar with Kotor 2 are you? Meetra takes meditation sessions, like the very first night on Citadel Station she meditates and the same is true every other time the Exile takes a rest with any companions. Ever heard of Mical? Well on Dromund Kaas she can't do that.
Meetra researches Dromund Kaas and the Empire whilst there, or did you suddenly forget that in your obviously in-depth studies? She does have time between meetings, but did you think she found out all she did about the modern day Empire by sitting on her ass the entire time? 😬
Continue spewing accusations at me if you want but it's not going to provide any argument against the fact that Meetra, just like every other noted Jedi who ever went to Dromund Kaas, was negatively effected to a point that her most valuable stated asset isn't available to her.
Stop getting so defensive over this apparent personal offense to your HoT wank.
It was more difficult on Dromund Kaas, but hardly a significant issue at all. If it was important Meetra would have stopped T3 from distracting her regardless of how nervous he was.
No, I didn't forget the thing I was actively looking at while writing. That she researched the empire in that time doesn't preclude her from eating and sleeping. Duh.
The Jedi you're talking about visited thousands of years in the future. There's no indication that the effects would be the same. And that's irrelevant. My point was about your claims that Meetra was starved and exhausted. As you've basically conceded at this point, my work here is done.
Hardly a significant issue? Not being capable of finding enlightenment which allows her to achieve a mindset where she can harness the light side to her full potential isn't significant? You're doing it again, Neph.
Are you even understanding what I'm saying? She uses meditation to sustain herself, but can't on Dromund Kaas. The dark side is too strong.
Thousands of years later, where the dark side isn't going to be as potent. I assume I needn't remind you of how Korriban's power atrophied over time.
Originally posted by AncientPowerErm, to sever her from the Force. Not stun her so she could be severed. And I don't see what you mean, all I see is Vrook reach out and stun the Exile. 😬
Well first there is what they actually say, which you referenced, that it was within their power, as in together. Moreover we have three animations hit the Exile in succession, the third one actually freezes her. More importantly she was pretty clearly not expecting it.
Originally posted by BeniboyblingChrist seems folks need to be again reminded what the KOTOR Jedi Council are capable of.
Kavar stuns Vaklu's troops without so much as a gesture:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8lebLFZqsI&t=8m24s
Stuns the Exile with a Force push and generates a Force wave that incapacitates almost half a dozen soldiers:
Zez-Kai Ell was able to blow Hanharr away with enough Force to render him unconscious:
Kavar was able to place the Exile in stasis against her will:
And was able to strike the Exile and her companion with enough telekinetic Force to incapacitate them both:
And through presumably their combined power the Council were capable of severing the Exile from the Force:
And also seemingly quickly rebuilt what remained of the Jedi Enclave with TK. Finally with all members of the Jedi Council they were able to erase and reprogram Revan's mind:Which is legit more than Vitiate ever managed lmao.
Inferior to the Inquisitors my ass, they'd ragdoll. 😂
Well that is a simple and effective way to shut someone down
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Hanharr wasn't just rendered unconscious either. Kreia later finds him mortally wounded (ie. the same way she finds him in the LS version when Mira leaves him for dead). Hanharr gets Pushed an enormous distance if you've played the game, and right before Zez does that, he opens a door which is sealed even to Hanharr (who boasts extremely superhuman strength) without even gesturing.
The Inquisitors really aren't in the same league as the Jedi Masters when it comes to power.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Hardly a significant issue? Not being capable of finding enlightenment which allows her to achieve a mindset where she can harness the light side to her full potential isn't significant? You're doing it again, Neph.Are you even understanding what I'm saying? She uses meditation to sustain herself, but can't on Dromund Kaas. The dark side is too strong.
Thousands of years later, where the dark side isn't going to be as potent. I assume I needn't remind you of how Korriban's power atrophied over time.
It isn't treated as significant, and the fact is that Meetra's best feats took place on a vastly greater nexus that would limit her much more.
She doesn't need to sustain herself, she can just eat and sleep. Also just because she can't achieve enlightenment doesn't mean she can't sustain her body.
Why don't know the circumstances of that. Dromund Kaas could have gotten massive stronger after the events of Revan and TOR in any number of ways.
Originally posted by Fated XtasyHeh he, also all that stuff is from Nova's respect thread:
Well that is a simple and effective way to shut someone down👆
I recommend some people here favourite it for future reference. 😉