Originally posted by StiltmanFTWdude, half of the superhero community is portrayed as being equal to or above Logan's speed. Anyway, Creed is probably faster, but skill is not a wash. Panther uses his skill way more often than Victor.also, I'm going to need some info on what Creed's currently capable of cutting through, because as far as I know, he's not getting through panther's suit.
Vet didn't even realize Creed was always faster than Logan.
Originally posted by deathslash
dude, half of the superhero community is portrayed as being equal to or above Logan's speed. Anyway, Creed is probably faster, but skill is not a wash. Panther uses his skill way more often than Victor.also, I'm going to need some info on what Creed's currently capable of cutting through, because as far as I know, he's not getting through panther's suit.
Wolverine is FAR faster than Panther can ever dream of.
Originally posted by deathslash
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About three different scuffles between them, all of which depict them as being peers, and you still manage to spout this sort of crap?
When Panther can fight so fast that even someone like Psylocke can barely see him, let me know.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Logan doesn't go all out against his allies.When Panther can fight so fast that even someone like Psylocke can barely see him, let me know.
Is that like blowing past Sabertooth to the point Sabertooth couldn't see him?
You're bias nonsense knows no bounds. If Panther fought his allies like he did the Super Skrull or Black Dwarf, the super hero population in Marvel would be lower.
Originally posted by abhilegendThat might have been the truth if Logan himself didn't say that he was going all out in the first of their three scuffles. That sort of statement might still hold water if Logan didn't try to stab panther in their second scuffle. It might have still been partially truthful if it weren't for the numerous times that he tried to outright kill spider-man, or the thing, or that time that he popped his claws in a sparring match against Kurt and tried to stab him.
Logan doesn't go all out against his allies.When Panther can fight so fast that even someone like Psylocke can barely see him, let me know.
He's caught spider-man and Peter was completely surprised by his speed. He's evenly fought against an all out iron fist without going all out. Sabertooth was surprised by panther's speed and received several hits before he finally managed to catch him. Let's not forget that that fight between panther and Creed happened decades after the remark that Betsy made about not being able to see them. This means that panther fought a faster and stronger version of sabertooth than Logan did at that point in time. Your turn now. Prove that what you said about Logan not going all out is the truth.
Originally posted by deathslash
That might have been the truth if Logan himself didn't say that he was going all out in the first of their three scuffles. That sort of statement might still hold water if Logan didn't try to stab panther in their second scuffle. It might have still been partially truthful if it weren't for the numerous times that he tried to outright kill spider-man, or the thing, or that time that he popped his claws in a sparring match against Kurt and tried to stab him.
Think of it as tough love. Logan only goes all out when he goes berserk.
Any other time, he is holding back his full fury.
He's caught spider-man and Peter was completely surprised by his speed.
That literally happens with every street level character.
He's evenly fought against an all out iron fist without going all out.
Impressive. If only Danny wasn't mindcontrolled and beat the shit out of Panther.
Sabertooth was surprised by panther's speed and received several hits before he finally managed to catch him.[
Yes, surprised. Key words there.
Let's not forget that that fight between panther and Creed happened decades after the remark that Betsy made about not being able to see them.
What does that has to do with, frankly anything?
This means that panther fought a faster and stronger version of sabertooth than Logan did at that point in time.
That's not how it works bub. Surprising someone with your speed and fighting them on their level of speed is a different thing.
Your turn now. Prove that what you said about Logan not going all out is the truth.
Read some wolverine comics. You'll get your answers there.
Originally posted by abhilegendexcept for how Logan himself has thought of his berserker rage as a pain in the ass on multiple occasions. It's pretty telling that you think Logan has to go berserk in order for a character to be his peer or for him to be taking someone seriously.
Think of it as tough love. Logan only goes all out when he goes berserk.Any other time, he is holding back his full fury.
Originally posted by abhilegendexcept that spidey regularly fights meta level characters and generally does very well against them. You also forgot to mention the part about spidey owning wolverine and several x-men members at the same time (and it's not the only time that that sort of thing's happened).
That literally happens with every street level character.
Originally posted by abhilegendif it were any other martial artist, panther would have been fine, but it was danny. You know, The Iron Fist? The guy that's noted as being one of the best marital artists in marvel and who at that time was hitting with the force of a train. Basically, T'challa was fighting on part with a guy that was just as fast as him, had way more damage output, is one of the best martial artists in his reality, and was going for the kill.
Impressive. If only Danny wasn't mindcontrolled and beat the shit out of Panther.
Originally posted by abhilegendso you cut the leading statement up just before it reaches the logical conclusion and pretend that it has nothing to do with the topic at hand? Clearly, it was information to lead you to the same conclusion that I reached. Betsy made that whole "I can barely see them" statement decades ago. Years after that iconic fight between creed and logan, creed got several upgrades, meaning that panther was fighting a faster and stronger version of Victor than the version that Betsy saw at that time and was holding his own. Meaning that panther should at least be as fast as Logan was at the time that he fought creed in the mansion.
What does that has to do with, frankly anything?
Originally posted by abhilegendHe was initially surprised by the fact that panther outpaced him and when he tried to fight instead of run, he was getting kicked around before he finally caught t'challa.
That's not how it works bub. Surprising someone with your speed and fighting them on their level of speed is a different thing.
Originally posted by abhilegendso you have no direct examples or any times that it was implied that he holds back and yet you still made that sort of statement and continue to pretend that you know dick about wolverine? That's rather........ bold; I would even say risky, but I remembered that you've been proven wrong so many times that you have no face left to save.
Read some wolverine comics. You'll get your answers there.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Think of it as tough love. Logan only goes all out when he goes berserk.Any other time, he is holding back his full fury.
That literally happens with every street level character.
Impressive. If only Danny wasn't mindcontrolled and beat the shit out of Panther.
Yes, surprised. Key words there.
What does that has to do with, frankly anything?
That's not how it works bub. Surprising someone with your speed and fighting them on their level of speed is a different thing.
Read some wolverine comics. You'll get your answers there.
Wut??? 😆 Man, that's a bunch of cop outs, even for you.
Originally posted by Sin I AMmeh. It'd be kind of hard for me to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's more skilled. I could direct your attention to his sparring matches against cap, his fight (while depowered) with typhoid mary and lady bullseye, wolverine, Karnak, etc.
You can prove BP is more skilled than Creed?
What feats does creed have demonstrating his skill.
Originally posted by deathslash
meh. It'd be kind of hard for me to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's more skilled. I could direct your attention to his sparring matches against cap, his fight (while depowered) with typhoid mary and lady bullseye, wolverine, Karnak, etc.What feats does creed have demonstrating his skill.
He also beat Cage using pressure points.
@ anybody who can remember.... Was it Daredevil that took out Wolverine once using pressure points ? Or was that somebody else ?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Lolwut?Wolverine is FAR faster than Panther can ever dream of.
Your kidding right?
For comparison Parker dances around and embarrasses Logan when it comes to speed, yet compliments Panther.
Panther typically doesn't have problems with faster opponents either just by knowing their movements before they make them.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Your kidding right?For comparison Parker dances around and embarrasses Logan when it comes to speed, yet compliments Panther.
Panther typically doesn't have problems with faster opponents either just by knowing their movements before they make them.
Right, no one "out speeds" him in combat. It has happened several times to Logan. Still LOL at the prove it crowd when it comes to skills.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
😂Are you serious? With still photos that are comic book illustrations? Not any more than you can prove to me Sabertooth is more skilled.
You suggested that BP was better skill wise. I said it was a wash. So you have to have a incident to show where his skills greatly eclipses Creed.
Speed creed is superior because Panther had creed by. Suprise fighting hin in his own turf and creed had him dead to rights.
Panther is without a doubt faster