Originally posted by Sin I AM
His stats still dont push him past creed. Especially non jobbing. But ive been wrong before. What feats suggest hed best him
He doesn't necessarily need to be past him in stats to win.
BP's suit absorbs impact and converts it into kinetic blasts powerful enough to send six or seven people flying. That's besides retaining his heightened speed, strength, and senses.
It's still early in the run. More feats will come surely.
Originally posted by Vanguard
He doesn't necessarily need to be past him in stats to win.BP's suit absorbs impact and converts it into kinetic blasts powerful enough to send six or seven people flying. That's besides retaining his heightened speed, strength, and senses.
It's still early in the run. More feats will come surely.
Creeds claws nullify the vibranium advantage
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Since carver already stretched the page
Appreciate the scans but I agree with the notion that's no indication on how current Panther would do. In all honesty anytime Panther sticks to H2h with a powered enemy I'd call it plot. He has daggers that he forgets to use when fighting powered enemies for some reason..
I also wouldn't suggest that shows comparable Skill, that certain writer might of been suggesting Creed edges Panther in stats, not Skill. Creed lacks feats to suggest that he's comparable to T'Charley when it comes to skill. Compare Panther getting 5 hits in before Creed can get a grab.
I will admit Creed can damage the suit via claws given the Priest fight though. Which is that Cannon? Might be a House of M thing.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
He's more skilled, faster and far better equipped.
He was more skilled and faster and had better equipment when he fought creed before (according to you) & he still had him dead to rights before logan intervened
Originally posted by Vanguard
Tchalla has survived people trying to slash the suit in prior fights, so I disagree. But okay.
He suit didn't measure up in the above scene so your point is moot. Unless you can prove he has a better vibranium suit now.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Appreciate the scans but I agree with the notion that's no indication on how current Panther would do. In all honesty anytime Panther sticks to H2h with a powered enemy I'd call it plot. He has daggers that he forgets to use when fighting powered enemies for some reason..I also wouldn't suggest that shows comparable Skill, that certain writer might of been suggesting Creed edges Panther in stats, not Skill. Creed lacks feats to suggest that he's comparable to T'Charley when it comes to skill. Compare Panther getting 5 hits in before Creed can get a grab.
I will admit Creed can damage the suit via claws given the Priest fight though. Which is that Cannon? Might be a House of M thing.
I still haven't seen this supposed skill advantage though. Whenever logan/creed go feral they tank hits and deal incredible damage. Same can be said of Deadpool to a lesser degree. Plus these guys aren't slouched in h2h they just know that trading stuff like cuts slashes punches aren't putting them down so there's less need to "dodge" which is where I think the skill assumption comes from. Plus Noone has mentioned how he would neutralize his hf.
So this is "current" panther. What has he done currently that's so impressive skill wise.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
He was more skilled and faster and had better equipment when he fought creed before (according to you) & he still had him dead to rights before logan intervenedHe suit didn't measure up in the above scene so your point is moot. Unless you can prove he has a better vibranium suit now.
I still haven't seen this supposed skill advantage though. Whenever logan/creed go feral they tank hits and deal incredible damage. Same can be said of Deadpool to a lesser degree. Plus these guys aren't slouched in h2h they just know that trading stuff like cuts slashes punches aren't putting them down so there's less need to "dodge" which is where I think the skill assumption comes from. Plus Noone has mentioned how he would neutralize his hf.
So this is "current" panther. What has he done currently that's so impressive skill wise.
What does damaging and tanking have to do with skill? I'm not suggesting Panther wins because he's more skilled, I'm stating just that by feats he's the more skilled character, that's based on how he fights using tactics and skill not fighting like a berserk animal.
He was obviously faster in the scans you provided, 5 hits to one grab would reaffirm that, given their encounter ends with Logan enteruptting I'd say it's not a end all debate in the subject either, whereas when Panther and Creed have fought solo Panther decapitated Creed.
Current Panther is exploring the magical side of Vibranium and apparently now it can repel people/objects atleast the suit can,
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
What does damaging and tanking have to do with skill? I'm not suggesting Panther wins because he's more skilled, I'm stating just that by feats he's the more skilled character, that's based on how he fights using tactics and skill not fighting like a berserk animal.He was obviously faster in the scans you provided, 5 hits to one grab would reaffirm that, given their encounter ends with Logan enteruptting I'd say it's not a end all debate in the subject either, whereas when Panther and Creed have fought solo Panther decapitated Creed.
Current Panther is exploring the magical side of Vibranium and apparently now it can repel people/objects atleast the suit can,
Did I imply ranking had anything to do with skill? If so I was misunderstood. It's not a question of whether or not he has skill. It's just that neither he nor logan often displayed it because the can tank pretty much anything and barrel through. It's part of their fighting style. Which is often been depicted as detrimental when the lose their hf and have to get back to their roots. Same with wade.
How does BP counter hf
Originally posted by deathslash
except for how Logan himself has thought of his berserker rage as a pain in the ass on multiple occasions. It's pretty telling that you think Logan has to go berserk in order for a character to be his peer or for him to be taking someone seriously.
Him thinking it being a pain in the ass means nothing at all. If you have read any Wolverine comics, you'd know that he only goes all out when he goes berserker.
except that spidey regularly fights meta level characters and generally does very well against them. You also forgot to mention the part about spidey owning wolverine and several x-men members at the same time (and it's not the only time that that sort of thing's happened).
Spidey has a long history of getting in trouble against MAs. Just take his fights against Daredevil for example.
Daredevil has dropped Panther coincidentally.
if it were any other martial artist, panther would have been fine, but it was danny. You know, The Iron Fist? The guy that's noted as being one of the best marital artists in marvel and who at that time was hitting with the force of a train. Basically, T'challa was fighting on part with a guy that was just as fast as him, had way more damage output, is one of the best martial artists in his reality, and was going for the kill.
It was an impressive fight. But that's it. We don't take solely Wolverine on how he does against Hulk, do we?
so you cut the leading statement up just before it reaches the logical conclusion and pretend that it has nothing to do with the topic at hand? Clearly, it was information to lead you to the same conclusion that I reached. Betsy made that whole "I can barely see them" statement decades ago. Years after that iconic fight between creed and logan, creed got several upgrades, meaning that panther was fighting a faster and stronger version of Victor than the version that Betsy saw at that time and was holding his own. Meaning that panther should at least be as fast as Logan was at the time that he fought creed in the mansion.
Haha, what? You think Jeph Loeb did all that and Panther surprising creed and punching him a few times mean he was as fast as Logan?
http://i12.tinypic.com/81jkda1.jpg
http://i10.tinypic.com/6phiutv.jpg
What a bunch of nonsense.
He was initially surprised by the fact that panther outpaced him and when he tried to fight instead of run, he was getting kicked around before he finally caught t'challa.
Haha, what? Panther literally suckered him and punched him a few times before Creed casually overpowered him.
And it was a clone too.
so you have no direct examples or any times that it was implied that he holds back and yet you still made that sort of statement and continue to pretend that you know dick about wolverine?
Have you actually read anything about Logan? I mean anything?
That's rather........ bold; I would even say risky, but I remembered that you've been proven wrong so many times that you have no face left to save.
Oh look, the usual nonsense from panther clan.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Appreciate the scans but I agree with the notion that's no indication on how current Panther would do. In all honesty anytime Panther sticks to H2h with a powered enemy I'd call it plot. He has daggers that he forgets to use when fighting powered enemies for some reason..I also wouldn't suggest that shows comparable Skill, that certain writer might of been suggesting Creed edges Panther in stats, not Skill. Creed lacks feats to suggest that he's comparable to T'Charley when it comes to skill. Compare Panther getting 5 hits in before Creed can get a grab.
I will admit Creed can damage the suit via claws given the Priest fight though. Which is that Cannon? Might be a House of M thing.
Priest's suit was much more fragile than it has been with every other writer.
Originally posted by Facee
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