Originally posted by Stoic
Yep awesome game, just hope the online one comes to the west, and the consoles.I would like to see where it was stated that PC Superboy, as in the one that was killed ramps up his strength at will. The Hulk during his adventure on Sakaar was trained to meditate and raise his strength at will, and do so instantly. This was seen when he was in the Dark Dimension <-- (Solid Proof). Validus had a hard limit to his strength. Based on feats alone, I believe that WB Hulk would beat the mess out of Validus, he would also be able to take any punishment until he rose well above Val's strength level. How? Well that just happens to be his power set, like flight is one of Superman's. You seem to want to make this about Superboy, and if so that is well within your choice/s, however I'm not talking about Superboy, but instead Mongul who has never shown the power to replicate the damage that WB Hulk was capable of, and actually showed the reader on panel. I count collateral damage even if others choose to turn a blind eye to it because if I were to follow suit, then I guess that it'd be just fine for me to ignore lifting feats as well since they are both within the same vein in terms of strength feats. To solidify my stance, I am going to reiterate the fact that WB Hulk had no hard limit to his strength and was able to punch an entire solar system out. Shared feat? Let's go back and see exactly how a Red Hulk's power worked. They drain power from their opponents and add it to their own. They had a limit to the amount of power that they could drain however because they would suffer from overheating. The reason that Red She Hulk did not have a melt down was due entirely from that Wishing Well's properties which allowed her to continue growing in power as WB Hulk continued to ramp up, so in actuality Betty's extra power was due to WB Hulk ramping up as she was now able to keep pace with him. I have solid proof that this was the case.
For one, The Wishing Well never actually changed how any of the characters powers worked. Two, if we were to go back and see what happened to Rulk when he faced off against both Savage Hulk, and Thor, we see that he actually had a hard limit to the amount of power that he could actually drain. Betty had the exact same power set, which was given to her from the very same source that Rulk got his power from, and they both had the very same problems with their powers in terms of the dangers of draining opponents. All of this was written in stone and has gone down as canon as far as Red Hulk's go.
Just because Hulk has a dynamic factor to his strength doesn't means he can raise his strength at any level. See Zeus. Or Chaos War Abomination. Or David Banner in Chaos War.
Validus starts so above any hulk that one punch will be enough to knock him out.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nice essay.Just because Hulk has a dynamic factor to his strength doesn't means he can raise his strength at any level. See Zeus. Or Chaos War Abomination. Or David Banner in Chaos War.
Validus starts so above any hulk that one punch will be enough to knock him out.
There was context to the Zeus showing, and the Abomination one as well. The Hulk wasn't in a place that allowed him to go all out. He was on Earth. It wasn't because he couldn't go all out, it was because it wasn't an option for him to go all out. Banner isn't a murderer, which is and was exactly what was written up within the entire series. They tapped on the topic throughout the entire WW Hulk series. He could have come to Earth and one shot killed the planet and everyone incapable of surviving such an assault. It specifically stated that he held back the entire time. As solid proof of this, we then see just how far he was able to go when he was in the Dark Dimension. He could have also destroyed the entire Moon instead of calling Black Bolt out. He wasn't there to fight Zeus, if that were the case he would have crippled all of the Olympians that he ran into on his way to Zeus. This was specifically stated before he ever began climbing up that mountain.
This is Banner not Doomsday. Validus would certainly defeat the Green Scar when he is holding back, but if he let go I don't believe that this would have been the case. WB Hulk was smarter than Validus, able to exceed his strength level, had greater agility, highly resistant to telepathic assault, and able to travel faster. WB Hulk would have scared the living hell out of Mongul, just before destroying him.
Originally posted by Stoic
There was context to the Zeus showing, and the Abomination one as well. The Hulk wasn't in a place that allowed him to go all out. He was on Earth. It wasn't because he couldn't go all out, it was because it wasn't an option for him to go all out. Banner isn't a murderer, which is and was exactly what was written up within the entire series. They tapped on the topic throughout the entire WW Hulk series. He could have come to Earth and one shot killed the planet and everyone incapable of surviving such an assault. It specifically stated that he held back the entire time. As solid proof of this, we then see just how far he was able to go when he was in the Dark Dimension. He could have also destroyed the entire Moon instead of calling Black Bolt out. He wasn't there to fight Zeus, if that were the case he would have crippled all of the Olympians that he ran into on his way to Zeus. This was specifically stated before he ever began climbing up that mountain.This is Banner not Doomsday. Validus would certainly defeat the Green Scar when he is holding back, but if he let go I don't believe that this would have been the case. WB Hulk was smarter than Validus, able to exceed his strength level, had greater agility, highly resistant to telepathic assault, and able to travel faster. WB Hulk would have scared the living hell out of Mongul, just before destroying him.
Hulk isn't beating Mongul much less Validus. Forget about it.
Sorry, we don't go by your fanfiction.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He still had his dynamic factor. What you are doing is applying no limit fallacy at this point.Hulk isn't beating Mongul much less Validus. Forget about it.
Sorry, we don't go by your fanfiction.
WWH and higher IS beating Mongul and Validus. They simply can't stop him.
Originally posted by Blue Area VetWhat ever his average strength and durability levels were, that's what we must assume. I would say that Superman on average is at least mountain shattering and at most 1 earth weight lifting. Either of which is above WWH.
What do you mean "Superman was at least average?"
Originally posted by Blue Area Vetwhen You are using Superman's lows and not considering his highs. That is called cherry picking. Using lows then almost anyone can beat anyone.
Really? Even though I said PC Superman had high highs and low lows, I'm cherry picking? Back that up. Also, find me some low lows for WWH.
Originally posted by h1a8lol, what? Even as far back as secret wars, hulk could lift a mountain. Let's not even get into how much stronger wwh is than that version.
What ever his average strength and durability levels were, that's what we must assume. I would say that Superman on average is at least mountain shattering and at most 1 earth weight lifting. Either of which is above WWH.
P.S.
It's also really telling that doom was using the hulks strength to power a machine that held exitar at bay.
Originally posted by deathslash
lol, what? Even as far back as secret wars, hulk could lift a mountain. Let's not even get into how much stronger wwh is than that version.P.S.
It's also really telling that doom was using the hulks strength to power a machine that held exitar at bay.
I do believe there was a retcon that changed it, but Hulk did not lift that mountain in the original SECRET WARS.
Originally posted by h1a8
when You are using Superman's lows and not considering his highs. That is called cherry picking. Using lows then almost anyone can beat anyone.
What do you mean I "using his lows?" I mentioned his lows in contrast to you guys constantly referring to his highs only! I'm offering the balance needed to actually judge him by his average.
Originally posted by h1a8
What ever his average strength and durability levels were, that's what we must assume. I would say that Superman on average is at least mountain shattering and at most 1 earth weight lifting. Either of which is above WWH.
Dude, a normally enraged Hulk is mountain shattering. Also, this isn't a STRENGTH FEAT contest, it's a proposed battle which all aspect come into play including Hulk's DYNAMIC strength and other worldly healing. There is no way either character is going to pull of a KILL against WWH who will continue to get stronger and heal from any injury. The only matter by which PCS could win is removal. Mongul is dead to rights in a slugfest with someone greater than him.
Lol at superman being mountain level
Just in his byrne era he already punched a massive worm who eat billions of tons of rock, soil and snow into the air. ONE PUNCH lifted into the air billions of tons. That shits all over Hulk's feat.
And this was BYRNE era Superman. Peps please, stop spouting non sense it is just painful to read all this no limits fallacies
Oh is mr no limits fallacy whinny cry baby bav. Ok moving along as Bav opinion is worth shit as he has read nothing about superman, let me see who else has admited not to read comics? Oh yes H1 (sorry dude).
Who reads Superman comics? Oh yes Abhi, Delta, Zack and Rao 🙂
Who doesn't? Oh yes BAV and H1 👆
I ask Bav how many superman comics have you read? Of all those comics of Supeman how many were pre-crisis?
Oh none? Then stfu! Your uneducated biased opinion is not needed
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Lol at superman being mountain levelJust in his byrne era he already punched a massive worm who eat billions of tons of rock, soil and snow into the air. ONE PUNCH lifted into the air billions of tons. That shits all over Hulk's feat.
And this was BYRNE era Superman. Peps please, stop spouting non sense it is just painful to read all this no limits fallacies
😐 ...you're not serious are you?
Originally posted by Delta1938you sure about that? I remember hulk barely managing to keep it off of them, Reed Richards came up with a plan to get them out, Thor was hitting the mountain as hard as he could and it sounded like tapping to everyone underneath it.
I do believe there was a retcon that changed it, but Hulk did not lift that mountain in the original SECRET WARS.