Originally posted by abhilegend
It shows all the characters are the same.Because he isn't above getting thrown around by a Superman level being when he is not expecting it. He was never even close to getting beaten.
Hal also looked better than Diana against Darkseid.
You can't be looking at the scans.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Stunned her when? You provided anything but Hal performing better. Honestly Aquaman and Wonder Woman did better against Darkseid given the fact they actually pierced him. Hal's constructs broke on contact with Darkseid in the scans you provided.. and he was beaten up how exactly did he do better. It just looks like the League let him keep going at Darkseid it doesn't look like any of them were stunned...You didn't provide anything backing your point on anyone else having indirect difficulty against someone of Diana's strength. Who were on these teams that Superman sent flying. It's a nice mention but it's hollow..
I don't know why Abby's been flirting with Hal lately. Maybe he's trying something knew. His heart definitely isn't into it.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Nu52 Green Lanterns aren't that Impressive Wonder Woman before her physical amp was flooring Hal even sent him flying with a ground stomp. So the idea of the New God's flooring doesn't sound far off when Orion did pretty well against Superman compared to when Hal fought Superman.https://comicnewbies.com/2014/08/18/wonder-woman-vs-green-lantern/
Wonder Woman was stomping a group of Lanterns on her own. Lanterns suck.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Are you talking about the Yellow Lanterns?
Yep. This scene...
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24576643/Sinestro-017-2016-Digital-Empire-013.jpg.html
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http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24576620/Sinestro-017-2016-Digital-Empire-018.jpg.html
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When it comes to facing physical characters, they are nothing but fodder.
Originally posted by carver9
Yep. This scene...http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24576643/Sinestro-017-2016-Digital-Empire-013.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24576614/Sinestro-017-2016-Digital-Empire-017.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24576620/Sinestro-017-2016-Digital-Empire-018.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24576625/Sinestro-017-2016-Digital-Empire-019.jpg.htmlWhen it comes to facing physical characters, they are nothing but fodder.
Featless groups tend to be fodder in all fairness Amazons, Atlanteans, Army Doomsday clones, Gamma radiated city etc.
By feats I don't see Hal struggling with Bekka or Arkillo offensively atleast. My only point here is that Hal isn't as powerful as he was Pre-Flashpointand Nu52 showings support that
Originally posted by EcstaticGraceThey don't show that, and Lanterns were not retconned by Flashpoint.
My only point here is that Hal isn't as powerful as he was Pre-Flashpointand Nu52 showings support that
Hal's feats 10 years ago are as much still his as Tony Stark's.
That's a fact, not an argument.
Originally posted by Cogito
They don't show that, and Lanterns were not retconned by Flashpoint.Hal's feats 10 years ago are as much still his as Tony Stark's.
That's a fact, not an argument.
As cute as it is that you think you can state what is cannon and not that's not the case.
Just because Blackest Night is said to happen in cannon doesn't mean it happened the same way and in a story perspective those events happened but in regards to feats those are blank because we have no context on how exactly the events took place.
If you want to pretend those feats are cannon be my guess I'll just assume Hal and the other Lanterns were nerfed right after.
Originally posted by Cogito
They don't show that, and Lanterns were not retconned by Flashpoint.Hal's feats 10 years ago are as much still his as Tony Stark's.
That's a fact, not an argument.
The bottom line is the versatile Hal and Manhunter can't hang in this scenario and the others, while powerful, are out powered by the Marvelites who are not only physically powerful, but hold a HUGE EP edge.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
The bottom line is the versatile Hal and Manhunter can't hang in this scenario and the others, while powerful, are out powered by the Marvelites who are not only physically powerful, but hold a HUGE EP edge.
Lacks context but J'onn took on the League solo handed. I'm not to knowledgeable on Adam or Norrin but who counters his phasing, is Blue Marvel immune to telepathy or something?
J'onn can increase his physicals by changing his body density showed in "Superman: Doomed"
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
As cute as it is that you think you can state what is cannon and not that's not the case.Just because Blackest Night is said to happen in cannon doesn't mean it happened the same way and in a story perspective those events happened but in regards to feats those are blank because we have no context on how exactly the events took place.
If you want to pretend those feats are cannon be my guess I'll just assume Hal and the other Lanterns were nerfed right after.
The entire post-GL Rebirth history has been frequently mentioned/referenced in the DCnU, and Johns himself stated repeatedly before, during, and after Flashpoint that the GL storyline was not affected. If you don't trust the Chief Creative Officer for DC on his own content, then I don't know what to tell you.
Originally posted by Cogito
The entire post-GL Rebirth history has been frequently mentioned/referenced in the DCnU, and Johns himself stated repeatedly before, during, and after Flashpoint that the GL storyline was not affected. If you don't trust the Chief Creative Officer for DC on his own content, then I don't know what to tell you.
As I said just because a story is suggested to have happened in another continuity doesn't mean it happened the same way.
It was also said I believe that Death Of Superman happened in the New52 as well as Batman's supposed Death by Darkseid but keep in mind the situations were obviously different. Blackest Night was said to happen in the Nu52 but Aquaman and Manhunter never died. Cling onto the notion that those feats are valid but the stories didn't or logically couldn't have taken place in the same way.
I agree the GL mythos are intact but I don't agree with using Pre52 feats for New52 characters.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Lacks context but J'onn took on the League solo handed. I'm not to knowledgeable on Adam or Norrin but who counters his phasing, is Blue Marvel immune to telepathy or something?J'onn can increase his physicals by changing his body density showed in "Superman: Doomed"
I'm sure he can do a lot but the bottom line is he comes up short in big boy scenarios. As far as BM, I don't think he has been tested directly, but you have to assume that as a Superman level flying brick, he can't easily be mind controlled. Also, he has shown fine skills with his antimatter manipulation, enough to see Spectrum's physiology and upgrade her abilities. He's sort of like Black Bolt in that regard in that he has demonstrated he can use his EP in unusual ways. BB can protect his mind and even mind control others with his electron manipulation.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I'm sure he can do a lot but the bottom line is he comes up short in big boy scenarios. As far as BM, I don't think he has been tested directly, but you have to assume that as a Superman level flying brick, he can't easily be mind controlled. Also, he has shown fine skills with his antimatter manipulation, enough to see Spectrum's physiology and upgrade her abilities. He's sort of like Black Bolt in that regard in that he has demonstrated he can use his EP in unusual ways. BB can protect his mind and even mind control others with his electron manipulation.
Martian Manhunter casually tpd Wonder Woman, Flash, and Cyborg at the same time.
Physical strength is irrelevant if you don't have the feats to suggest you won't be tpd, I'd rather see feats from Adam suggesting he won't be tpd
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Stunned her when? You provided anything but Hal performing better.
If only you could read.
Honestly Aquaman and Wonder Woman did better against Darkseid given the fact they actually pierced him.
If only Hal was attacking his eyes.
Hal's constructs broke on contact with Darkseid in the scans you provided.. and he was beaten up how exactly did he do better. It just looks like the League let him keep going at Darkseid it doesn't look like any of them were stunned...
The league weren't shown for at least ten pages more. So I'd doubt they were letting him do anything.
You didn't provide anything backing your point on anyone else having indirect difficulty against someone of Diana's strength. Who were on these teams that Superman sent flying. It's a nice mention but it's hollow..
Uh, everyone?
By your standards, Superman was able to beat everyone together there.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Featless groups tend to be fodder in all fairness Amazons, Atlanteans, Army Doomsday clones, Gamma radiated city etc.By feats I don't see Hal struggling with Bekka or Arkillo offensively atleast. My only point here is that Hal isn't as powerful as he was Pre-Flashpointand Nu52 showings support that
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
As cute as it is that you think you can state what is cannon and not that's not the case.Just because Blackest Night is said to happen in cannon doesn't mean it happened the same way and in a story perspective those events happened but in regards to feats those are blank because we have no context on how exactly the events took place.
If you want to pretend those feats are cannon be my guess I'll just assume Hal and the other Lanterns were nerfed right after.
Blackest Night still happened. So did War of Green Lanterns.
Just because a few characters didn't die or weren't included doesn't means anything in terms of power level.
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