Originally posted by Tondemonai
I get the feeling not one of you (sans Elliminist and possibly Nai) looked at the link I provided. It entails literally everything that's needed to settle this debate in every possible regard.
While I do appreciate the link, that site is already commonly known here for a rather long amount of time. Star Trek supporters just accuse Mike Wong (the site owner) of bias, outright ignore evidence or - like our prime example quanchi here - do away anything on the site as "nerd math", which is, somehow, not applicable for debating the issue at hand.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I argue based off facts, logic, and a sprinkle of reasoning.
I agree. You're based rather far off facts, logic and any kind of reasoning. 👆
Originally posted by NaiAny self respecting debater worth their own weight should debate based off claims they can prove not nerd math, cherry picked examples, and flat out exaggerations all highlighting your own personal bias for the subject matter at hand here. Wong was a biased tool. He's gone though so who cares about him anymore.
While I do appreciate the link, that site is already commonly known here for a rather long amount of time. Star Trek supporters just accuse Mike Wong (the site owner) of bias, outright ignore evidence or - like our prime example quanchi here - do away anything on the site as "nerd math", which is, somehow, not applicable for debating the issue at hand.I agree. You're based rather far [b]off
facts, logic and any kind of reasoning. 👆 [/B]
Originally posted by MS WarehouseIf it is a number found in a canon source but if it's some nerd speculating as to the size and the weight then it's just conjecture, kiddo.
If someone people can make "nerd math" from sw/st applicable to our universe as far as being acceptable debating material, remind me why that's bad? Or do you just oppose anything you don't understand or can't be bothered to? Also math is for nerds.
Originally posted by quanchi112math based on logic and information available. It's impressive for someone to try, like when RH did the math on bane's speed during lightsaber practice. I get it if you don't understand, you have that problem with everything.
If it is a number found in a canon source but if it's some nerd speculating as to the size and the weight then it's just conjecture, kiddo.
Originally posted by The EllimistWell we are discussing a universe in which the force can crush someone's windpipe so let's not get nuts here.
It's almost like that "nerd speculation" with numbers and stuff is how science, engineering, finance, and pretty much the entire modern world functions. mmm
Originally posted by quanchi112
Well we are discussing a universe in which the force can crush someone's windpipe so let's not get nuts here.
Irrelevant. So long as there's some correlation between variables, you can model the system mathematically. And if there isn't then the universe would be completely random and there would be no point in discussing anything.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Any self respecting debater worth their own weight should debate based off claims they can prove not nerd math, cherry picked examples, and flat out exaggerations all highlighting your own personal bias for the subject matter at hand here. Wong was a biased tool. He's gone though so who cares about him anymore.
So are official numbers stated in licensed sourcebooks written by paid individuals working for the creating companies considered "nerd math" now? Jesus **** man, you will find any way to get out of a situation you don't like, even when you're clearly in the wrong, and you need to ****ing accept it. The numbers and literature back our side up, and what do you have going for your argument? Unbaked statements and speculations that have no value when compared to numbers from official sources. It's pitiful at this point that you're still clinging on to nothing to continue this debate when you lost it a long time ago. Claiming that you've got legitimate, factual information of Starfleet's nonexistent superiority the way you have been is nothing more than the usual blind bias of hard-headed Trekkies with trees a mile and a half up their asses. You'll never have anything remotely tangible enough to mean jack shit when comparing anything regarding Starfleet to any major Star Wars faction, least of all the Empire. Acceptance is the first step, you should probably try it, maybe you'll make up for some of the long list of blunders you've made in your life.
Originally posted by The EllimistFalse. Any person putting this much value into unproven variables based off fictional universes is wasting their time. Most fictional universes are completely random that's the point. It is the nerd fanboys trying to piece together the madness that's designed to look cool to the viewer.
Irrelevant. So long as there's some correlation between variables, you can model the system mathematically. And if there isn't then the universe would be completely random and there would be no point in discussing anything.
Originally posted by TondemonaiNo, if they are official that's something you can use which is the point. Cite your official source but it isn't Nai posting a random dot and telling me his speculative bs. All the while he doesn't even know what happened in other scenes we actually see. He tried speculating on Chewie's power cell being empty against Kylo but then will go on to explain one dot when we can't see what caused it, etc. it's hypo crust and bias. Plain and simple.
So are official numbers stated in licensed sourcebooks written by paid individuals working for the creating companies considered "nerd math" now? Jesus **** man, you will find any way to get out of a situation you don't like, even when you're clearly in the wrong, and you need to ****ing accept it. The numbers and literature back our side up, and what do you have going for your argument? Unbaked statements and speculations that have no value when compared to numbers from official sources. It's pitiful at this point that you're still clinging on to nothing to continue this debate when you lost it a long time ago. Claiming that you've got legitimate, factual information of Starfleet's nonexistent superiority the way you have been is nothing more than the usual blind bias of hard-headed Trekkies with trees a mile and a half up their asses. You'll never have anything remotely tangible enough to mean jack shit when comparing anything regarding Starfleet to any major Star Wars faction, least of all the Empire. Acceptance is the first step, you should probably try it, maybe you'll make up for some of the long list of blunders you've made in your life.
If you can't acknowledge the superior portrayals, abilities to transport persons, weapons, etc. to trans warp ships, time travel, and black hole creating matter the size of a dot then I am afraid I can't help you.
You see in Star Wars you need a galactic empire to create a planet sized space station but in Star Trek you need a red dot and some matter. What's easier ? What's more applicable ? Now once common sense beams aboard that grey matter inside that empty space inside your cranium and your bias starts to rot away then and only then you'll realize your religion which is Star Wars is dead my friend.
Originally posted by The EllimistWhen have I ever said otherwise ? It's just fun to try to make sense of it all and to debate. One can bring evidence to support their claims but only claims you can support with evidence not conjecture. Do you really think the screenwriters and director are sitting in a room saying this has to all add up here.
That applies equally to all of your own predictions about who would beat who. 👆
Originally posted by quanchi112
When have I ever said otherwise ?
Then why don't you stop just tossing away people's arguments because they're "unproven" and "it's just fiction", if you don't want other people to do the same thing to yours?
How about you try engaging with arguments by detailing why they're wrong, rather than using vague catchphrases like "nerd math" that make you sound like some midwestern inbred redneck?