Dreadnought vs Star Destroyer

Originally posted by quanchi112
I haven't responded with any links or anything by design because I am not going have my battlezone here early. You are arguing with the scraps of my argument. You have the chance to accept and I'm willing to bet Ellimist will step aside. I am also waiting for the film to come out this Thursday. 🙂

I'm sorry, but how is this new movie in any way going to affect the discussion of an ISD vs Dreadnaught Class? You're deviating from the real topic, whether you want to admit it or not. There's no logical reason for you to withhold your argument until the movie, seeing as it's unlikely that the Dreadnaught will be seen at any point in the movie. Even if it shows up somewhere, it may not even impact anyone's arguments on this thread. All I hear is that you're too scared to debate this subject because you're hoping that Beyond will give you something new to work with. It's time for you to give us a tangible argument, or concede; I don't care which.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I haven't responded with any links or anything by design because I am not going have my battlezone here early. You are arguing with the scraps of my argument. You have the chance to accept and I'm willing to bet Ellimist will step aside. I am also waiting for the film to come out this Thursday. 🙂

More lame excuses from the guy who keeps pointing to some "judged debate" for almost a year now, because he can't come up with an argument. Hilarious.

If you think I'm done here you're wrong.

You're a dead man walking here, but haven't just realized it.

I am very certain you would rather turn this into an insult fest since your case is so biased and weak. You've always been full of shit and always will be.

Says the guy who makes postings with 35 logical fallacies and 0 arguments.

To have our arguments judged does take courage but to proclaim yourself the victor but not be willing to submit to the judgement of a panel of judges is cowardice. You'll always be a coward.

Every reader of this thread here is a "judge" to a certain extend. And look how many of them agree with you. 🙂

Originally posted by Tondemonai
I'm sorry, but how is this new movie in any way going to affect the discussion of an ISD vs Dreadnaught Class? You're deviating from the real topic, whether you want to admit it or not. There's no logical reason for you to withhold your argument until the movie, seeing as it's unlikely that the Dreadnaught will be seen at any point in the movie. Even if it shows up somewhere, it may not even impact anyone's arguments on this thread. All I hear is that you're too scared to debate this subject because you're hoping that Beyond will give you something new to work with. It's time for you to give us a tangible argument, or concede; I don't care which.

This ship destroys the deflector shields and decimates the oversized and not very maneuverable Destroyer. I've never deviated from my main points you cheerleader.

Originally posted by Nai
More lame excuses from the guy who keeps pointing to some "judged debate" for almost a year now, because he can't come up with an argument. Hilarious.

You're a dead man walking here, but haven't just realized it.

Says the guy who makes postings with 35 logical fallacies and 0 arguments.

Every reader of this thread here is a "judge" to a certain extend. And look how many of them agree with you. 🙂

Ironic since you haven't refuted my points.

So says you.

In the Star Wars section of the board. That's why we agree to judges who put aside their own personal opinions and base their decision off the merits of the arguments brought forth.

So you accept ?

Just got back from watching the film and those tiny little bee formation ships are going to wreck shop on the Ot.

🙂

Nai has been run off for all time.

You keep saying that, yet know he comes back.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
You keep saying that, yet know he comes back.

Lmao @ the thought of Krall and his bee's soloing the GE. I knew you were delusional, but never to this degree

Originally posted by Tondemonai
Lmao @ the thought of Krall and his bee's soloing the GE. I knew you were delusional, but never to this degree

@Quanchi112: I have a few questions for you here dude.

#1: What does anything in Beyond have anything to do with this debate here?

#2: Why are you even posting in this debate if you have no real intention of debating this thread topic, and are only using it as a staging platform for another Battlezone challenge? I mean you've already made it clear you don't want to debate this thread topic, and you've debated in bad faith by withholding your "A Game" intentionally, which makes any farther participation here pointless on your part, and yet you want to call out other posters cowardice for not posting here.

#3: Linked to #2 - You want people to trash talk with, not debate with in this thread?

I mean, I have no idea where more than 2 3rds of this thread has derailed into, but it seems you're not all that interested in this thread more than you are about getting into yet another pissing match.

Also, just to let y'all know, I made this thread on two other forums to get some results.

Sufficient Velocity and Spacebattles

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
@Quanchi112: I have a few questions for you here dude.

#1: What does anything in Beyond have anything to do with this debate here?

#2: Why are you even posting in this debate if you have no real intention of debating this thread topic, and are only using it as a staging platform for another Battlezone challenge? I mean you've already made it clear you don't want to debate this thread topic, and you've debated in bad faith by withholding your "A Game" intentionally, which makes any farther participation here pointless on your part, and yet you want to call out other posters cowardice for not posting here.

#3: Linked to #2 - You want people to trash talk with, not debate with in this thread?

I mean, I have no idea where more than 2 3rds of this thread has derailed into, but it seems you're not all that interested in this thread more than you are about getting into yet another pissing match.

2) I see you're doing your weird thing again where you feel like you're an authority. I've already stated my position as to why the Vengeance wins. Mind your own business I stopped when TI hurt your feelings and you wanted it to stop. Just go under the radar because you can't take the heat in the kitchen.

3) I want passion and taking trash is better for business. If you like sissy talk in which people don't act as men stick to a forum with stricter rules which don't come close to the post count of kmc.

Vengeance wins due to superior maneuverability. Take out the deflector shields and these ships easily go down. Khan's militarized ship walks the dog on these overrated destroyers. Run along.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1) My upcoming battlezone. These threads have degenerated into film wars. If you follow the threads you can see the lines get blurred.

Yes, I see that, I was just wondering why it is being brought up here is all.

Originally posted by quanchi112
2) I see you're doing your weird thing again where you feel like you're an authority. I've already stated my position as to why the Vengeance wins. Mind your own business I stopped when TI hurt your feelings and you wanted it to stop. Just go under the radar because you can't take the heat in the kitchen.

You misunderstand me, and you made the first piece of aggressive posting already towards me. Swell...

No, the reason I am asking as because I was interested in this topic till it got derailed. Now I don't even know where to start, and I obviously don't want to trudge through literally tens of pages of shit topped lard to get there.

Originally posted by quanchi112
3) I want passion and taking trash is better for business. If you like sissy talk in which people don't act as men stick to a forum with stricter rules which don't come close to the post count of kmc.

No, there is a difference between passionate debating, and shitposting. I prefer it when people can be rational as much as they are passionate. You obviously enjoy insulting the opposition more than actually winning the debate, or reaching a good solid conclusion.

You know, the entire reason I got into debating forums all those years ago was not to show who has the biggest e-dick, but the correct information (Not opinion mind you, not something you can claim as a phyrric victory or just because you force the opponents to leave the field out of frustration) because I write. I like writing, and I like having the right info when I don't have it on hand. Forums and debating sites like this provide me with sources I don't have access to otherwise. Beside, I like to talk to people, not just wiki or google half baked crap, so sue me for that one...

Originally posted by quanchi112
Vengeance wins due to superior maneuverability. Take out the deflector shields and these ships easily go down. Khan's militarized ship walks the dog on these overrated destroyers. Run along.

Maneuverability? Against the vast ammounts of firepower, shielding and armor an ISD MKI has?

The problem that has already been addressed is #1: The Executor is not an ISD, #2: Context in the form of extenuating circumstances means that the Vengeance will not have the same advantage against an ISD that the entire Rebel Fleet had against the Executor in the battle of Endor. The Vengeance does not put out the firepower equal to the entire Rebel Fleet including several MC80s that can match an ISD pound for pound in firepower.

Under those conditions, the Vengeance would be reduced to free floating debris in minutes of an exchange with an ISD.

Lol The Dreadnaught ain't Khan's ship.. He gained control of it for 1 fight which he lost. Couldn't even be able to control it fully without a crew.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Just got back from watching the film and those tiny little bee formation ships are going to wreck shop on the Ot.

Ahahaha.
Yeah. Tiny ships with no weapons that are dependant on intership sensors and communications working perfectly will certainly do much against the OT Empire that broadcasts system-wide jamming signals as standard procedure in fights.
😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nai has been run off for all time.

Sorry. I'm not the one who ows the other an answer, and got his ass handed to him, because he can't debate his way out of a matchbox without commiting more logical fallacies than used in a regular Chewbacca Defense, Dipshit112: Remember?

Pathetic.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Yes, I see that, I was just wondering why it is being brought up here is all.

You misunderstand me, and you made the first piece of aggressive posting already towards me. Swell...

No, the reason I am asking as because I was interested in this topic till it got derailed. Now I don't even know where to start, and I obviously don't want to trudge through literally tens of pages of shit topped lard to get there.

No, there is a difference between passionate debating, and shitposting. I prefer it when people can be rational as much as they are passionate. You obviously enjoy insulting the opposition more than actually winning the debate, or reaching a good solid conclusion.

You know, the entire reason I got into debating forums all those years ago was not to show who has the biggest e-dick, but the correct information (Not opinion mind you, not something you can claim as a phyrric victory or just because you force the opponents to leave the field out of frustration) because I write. I like writing, and I like having the right info when I don't have it on hand. Forums and debating sites like this provide me with sources I don't have access to otherwise. Beside, I like to talk to people, not just wiki or google half baked crap, so sue me for that one...

Maneuverability? Against the vast ammounts of firepower, shielding and armor an ISD MKI has?

The problem that has already been addressed is #1: The Executor is not an ISD, #2: Context in the form of extenuating circumstances means that the Vengeance will not have the same advantage against an ISD that the entire Rebel Fleet had against the Executor in the battle of Endor. The Vengeance does not put out the firepower equal to the entire Rebel Fleet including several MC80s that can match an ISD pound for pound in firepower.

Under those conditions, the Vengeance would be reduced to free floating debris in minutes of an exchange with an ISD.

We don't see all of the rebel fleet firing to weaken the Executor. We do see a few rebel ships destroying the deflector shields and we see one crashing in which brings the entire ship down. Do you really believe the two rebel ships and the firepower they used to destroy the deflector shields is greater than the firepower we see the Vengeance use on screen.

Based off what film evidence ?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Lol The Dreadnaught ain't Khan's ship.. He gained control of it for 1 fight which he lost. Couldn't even be able to control it fully without a crew.

Since when are we just using films here?