John Stewart (GL) vs Blue Marvel

Originally posted by leonidas
that's pretty much my take on it too.... /shrug

i still think it would come down to how john could handle the antimatter. from scw it doesn't seem gl's deal well with it. in dc most things don't though. he's got the strength to be a problem with that alone. combined, i'd take bm most of the time i think.

BM is cool and all. My problem is the assumption people make on his rankings bases on relatively few showings. It's like he's superman class "just because ". I don't buy that line of thinking. You need more than a couple of scenes to compare to guys with extensive histories like John

Originally posted by -K-M-
Pretty much. Impressive he hung with the team like he did. But hardly a be all be all feat some try to make it out to be

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
What's the point of you talking about the Namor fight? Namor is of a different mentally than Brashears. Namor is constantly fight heroes and is an antihero himself. Brashears doesn't fight heroes and he was clearly not even close trying to hurt or kill them. He didn't treat theme like he did King Hyperion or even Antiman. Those showing should not be discredited so people can feel good about JS chances. His chances are zero.

Actually that was namor from WW2 who at the time was a hero on the Invaders. Yes king Hyperion is a serious legit win. There was additional context with anti-man though. Also not sure if you knew or not but BM actually fought adult namor prior to his retirement and apparently was a close fight. BM even said he won from a lucky shot which namor agreed with

I'm not actually even arguing JS or this fight just discussing the avengers/BM fight

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Km. It was a team battle. There is no way in hell this stacks up to BM's Avengers fight. It just doesn't. Namor had the benefit of teammates fighting along side him while the Avengers were solely focused on one opponent.
He was being attacked in rapid succession while Namor's teammates were occupying the other members throughout the battle. Heck you even said IM, WM, and Ares tried restraining him at one point showing that they did attack him in unison.

And you claiming Namor not being in trouble is irrelevant. Why? Maybe beause he never fought them alone and ran off when they were about to?

Plus he spent half the time trying to explain to the Avengers they were wasting time. He only took the kid gloves off when he engaged Sentry eventually punting him to space. Then he seemed to dominate them briefly before Sentry divebombed. These two battles are not at all comparable let alone thinking the team battle was more impressive for Namor.

Think we need to agree to disagree. Others seem to be siding with my view of the fights, but in the end it's moot to this actual battle

Originally posted by riv6672
By the same token, GL John isnt bringing ANYwhere near the power of that team to this fight, no matter how powerful some try to make him out to be. 🙂

Never said that. Or even referenced John once

Originally posted by -K-M-
Think we need to agree to disagree. Others seem to be siding with my view of the fights, but in the end it's moot to this actual battle

Originally posted by -K-M-
Actually that was namor from WW2 who at the time was a hero on the Invaders. Yes king Hyperion is a serious legit win. There was additional context with anti-man though. Also not sure if you knew or not but BM actually fought adult namor prior to his retirement and apparently was a close fight. BM even said he won from a lucky shot which namor agreed with

I'm not actually even arguing JS or this fight just discussing the avengers/BM fight

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
We really don't know how the fight went or if it can be considered one. What we do know for sure is that Namor compared BM to two of the strongest heroes in MU(Hulk & Thor).

Considering we saw panels of them fighting with intense looks on their faces...yeah, we can. He did and namor has clashed with them in the past too. So not sure why it's bad if BM is comparable to namor

Originally posted by -K-M-
Never said that. Or even referenced John once

Originally posted by -K-M-
Considering we saw panels of them fighting with intense looks on their faces...yeah, we can. He did and namor has clashed with them in the past too. So not sure why it's bad if BM is comparable to namor

Originally posted by Sin I AM
BM is cool and all. My problem is the assumption people make on his rankings bases on relatively few showings. It's like he's superman class "just because ". I don't buy that line of thinking. You need more than a couple of scenes to compare to guys with extensive histories like John

What do you mean "just because?" What are we making up? Since the beginning, he has been depicted as top tier. He just doesn't have much on panel history as he was created in resent years, much like Sentry.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Considering we saw panels of them fighting with intense looks on their faces...yeah, we can. He did and namor has clashed with them in the past too. So not sure why it's bad if BM is comparable to namor

He's not, he's ABOVE Namor and that's not in question. His words were a nod to Namor back when Marvel gave a shit about Namor. The biggest point here is that he BEAT Namor one on one, something a herald can do. Plus, as shown with his fight against King Hyperion, he is very reluctant to utilize high power at a hight level.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
What do you mean "just because?" What are we making up? Since the beginning, he has been depicted as top tier. He just doesn't have much on panel history as he was created in resent years, much like Sentry.

I saying a character isn't automatically in a particular tier just because they have a certain powerset. We don't assume all telepathy are the same so y do flying bricks get a pass.

^^^aaaactually there are threads with page upon page of arguing exactly because posters here will claim all telepathy is the same.

But yeah, BM is what his supporters say he is.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
What do you mean "just because?" What are we making up? Since the beginning, he has been depicted as top tier. He just doesn't have much on panel history as he was created in resent years, much like Sentry.

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^aaaactually there are threads with page upon page of arguing exactly because posters here will claim all telepathy is the same.

But yeah, BM is what his supporters say he is.

And all DCnu characters. 🙂

No not really. Anyone who would argue that a low level tp like Elektra is on the same level as Martian Manhunter is trolling or never read a comic book in their life. Until BM gets more showings he is nowhere near the level of elite heralds let alone Superman.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
No not really. Anyone who would argue that a low level tp like Elektra is on the same level as Martian Manhunter is trolling or never read a comic book in their life.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Until BM gets more showings he is nowhere near the level of elite heralds let alone Superman.

Originally posted by riv6672
Yeah, hence the arguments!

Superman's only been around since 2011. He needs more seasoning before he's Pre DCnu Superman level.

Based on what exactly? He has had an extremely impressive run

Originally posted by riv6672
Yeah, hence the arguments!

Superman's only been around since 2011. He needs more seasoning before he's Pre DCnu Superman level.

👆

Originally posted by Sin I AM
[B]Based on what exactly?

I'd give Adam a 90% chance of successfully punching through John's constructs. I'd give him a 100% chance of KO-ing him with a punch to the jaw. Adam is just the kind of character that most GL's don't want to have a 1 on 1 run in with.

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^aaaactually there are threads with page upon page of arguing exactly because posters here will claim all telepathy is the same.

But yeah, BM is what his supporters say he is.

And all DCnu characters. 🙂

😂

I literally came to the computer to say that the two reasons that explain why so many posters have this battle wrong is a) some don't respect characters that are retroactively inserted into continuity until later and b) some can't conceive of a given Marvel character outclassing a D.C. character in power unless they are several tiers apart.