Originally posted by The_Tempest
Given that Maul exists, again, "in a world where Force power has a decisive advantage over technique in most situations," and is still considered a GOAT, I'd say it would almost have to indicate immense power.
Sure, but to an extent that hugely outclasses Kressh? I doubt it. What do you make of Kressh's Tomb feats, anyway?
Unlikely. But even if so, we know from other considerations that Maul's clearly not lacking in raw power. And since the question about his power is really relative to Kressh's power, I'll remind you that Maul demonstrates far greater "power" than Kressh ever has.
You're going into feats territory now. I'm discussing accolades, and Maul's power accolades hardly annihilate Kressh's.
And I'm not saying Kressh wouldn't beat Cronal. I'm just saying if you're hinging your entire placement of Kressh based on the comment from the DSSB, any number of obscure dark side adepts could potentially qualify given their penchant for Sith alchemy.
Fair enough. Though many of these dark side adepts do have more exposure to the dark side's more arcane arts than Maul.
No matter how you slice it, Maul's accolades are better.
Not by the margin you were suggesting earlier.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Sure, but to an extent that hugely outclasses Kressh? I doubt it.
Being declared decisively and multiple times as a GOAT contender hugely outclasses anything I've seen ascribed to Kressh's name. But idrgaf about Kressh so there could always be something I missed, in which case you're welcome to prove me wrong.
Originally posted by SunRazer
What do you make of Kressh's Tomb feats, anyway?
Very little. Kressh's tomb sits on a potent dark side nexus that has been occupied by countless Sith Lords in the centuries since his death, which may have very well altered the magnitude of the Tomb's power, either by augmenting it or diminishing it.
Originally posted by SunRazer
You're going into feats territory now. I'm discussing accolades, and Maul's power accolades hardly annihilate Kressh's.
Of course they do. The only quote you've deigned to offer touting Kressh's power is an indirect one that lauds the power of anyone with a penchant for Sith alchemy. Which, as I've already explained to you, could potentially account for random flunkies like Cronal or Jeng Droga or Sate Pestage.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Fair enough. Though many of these dark side adepts do have more exposure to the dark side's more arcane arts than Maul.
And I doubt few, if any, remotely register to Maul on the power scale.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Not by the margin you were suggesting earlier.
Nah, I stand by it.
And regarding the consistency of Maul's accolades, this is all I could find in regards. Many of my sources were physical copies I no longer have on hand, so perhaps someone else could verify?
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Being declared decisively and multiple times as a GOAT contender hugely outclasses anything I've seen ascribed to Kressh's name. But idrgaf about Kressh so there could always be something I missed, in which case you're welcome to prove me wrong.
Well, the entombed Sith Lords on Korriban are supposed to be some of the most powerful ever (per TOR Encyclopedia and stuff that doesn't go up to Maul's time). That's an accolade that puts Kressh in standing with people that aren't Cronal or Sate Pestage or whatever.
Very little. Kressh's tomb sits on a potent dark side nexus that has been occupied by countless Sith Lords in the centuries since his death, which may have very well altered the magnitude of the Tomb's power, either by augmenting it or diminishing it.
If it diminished its power, then that'd be an incredible feat for Kressh, but its almost certainly augmentation.
Of course they do. The only quote you've deigned to offer touting Kressh's power is an indirect one that lauds the power of anyone with a penchant for Sith alchemy. Which, as I've already explained to you, could potentially account for random flunkies like Cronal or Jeng Droga or Sate Pestage.
There's also this:
"Sith acolytes spill blood and prove their strength in the mausoleums of history's most powerful and legendary Sith Lords."
-- The Old Republic Encyclopedia
And that refers to the likes of Hord, Ragnos, Pall, etc, not Cronal or Jeng Droga.
For the record, Kressh and Sadow are the most powerful Sith Lords in the galaxy after Ragnos' death, which puts them above a young Vitiate, who, as a teen, dominated every Sith Lord on his planet and, and as a baby, drove his Sith Lord father insane before Severing him from the Force. He would've only grown in the 113 years since, and Kressh/Sadow were still his superiors.
And I doubt few, if any, remotely register to Maul on the power scale.
Agreed.
And regarding the consistency of Maul's accolades, this is all I could find in regards. Many of my sources were physical copies I no longer have on hand, so perhaps someone else could verify?
Interesting. People only mention the Fact File one, not the one in the Ultimate Visual Guide, which I do have, so I'll have to check it.
I'm mobile, so I shan't be properly formatting.
1. Only because Cronal, et al. aren't Sith and wouldn't be considered such even if their power exceeded the Sith in question.
2. Yeah, it's pretty hard to directly correlate the tomb's potency to Kressh's own and then try to situate him against someone like Maul.
3. Or perhaps Vitiate isn't included because he never attempted to usurp power until after the Great Hyperspace War. He wasn't an aspirant.
4. Feel free. As I said, most of my physical copies of Visual Dictionaries and Guides are no longer on hand.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'm mobile, so I shan't be properly formatting.1. Only because Cronal, et al. aren't Sith and wouldn't be considered such even if their power exceeded the Sith in question.
2. Yeah, it's pretty hard to directly correlate the tomb's potency to Kressh's own and then try to situate him against someone like Maul.
3. Or perhaps Vitiate isn't included because he never attempted to usurp power until after the Great Hyperspace War. He wasn't an aspirant.
4. Feel free. As I said, most of my physical copies of Visual Dictionaries and Guides are no longer on hand.
1. As you suggesting that Cronal, Jeng Droga etc. compare in power to the likes of Sadow? 😂
2. True.
3. No, there's quotes claiming that they were the most powerful Sith Lords in the galaxy, not just the most powerful of the Sith aspirants.
4. I haven't checked yet. I'll get back to you when I do.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
1. Not at all, calm down. I'm simply pointing out to you that Cronal, et al. aren't Sith Lords and so even if their power were greater than the likes of Kressh, et al., the accolade wouldn't be relevant.2. 👍
3. I don't doubt it.
4. Cool.
1. Sure, but Kressh is still one of the most powerful Sith Lords in history, and the scale this time includes the likes of Sadow, Hord, Muur and Ragnos.
3. So what was that about before? Anyways, Kressh being more powerful than a 113-year old Vitiate is pretty good, since he Mindraped and Severed his Sith Lord father at what, two?
4. Great.
1. And Maul is one of the most dangerous and skilled and trained and deadliest Sith in a time that includes Palpatine lol.
2. Just pointing out that Kressh being one of the most powerful aspirants to Ragnos's throne doesn't inherently make him better than someone who wasn't an aspirant to Ragnos's throne. But you say Kressh is declared as the most powerful in general, so there's that.
3. Awesome.
Originally posted by The_TempestThe fight was a complete Stalment, Sadow didn't win, and neither did Kressh.
Even generously assuming that were true, that pertains to Kressh how? Kressh was losing the duel and none of the powers he demonstrated were remotely close to Maul's.By all means, regale me with tales of bricks and statues.
Who cares, him being comparable to Sadow AUTOMATICALLY puts him above Maul in the force.
He's going to lose sabers, but thats expected.