SoR Revan vs DE Luke Skywalker.

-No prep
-Standard gear
-Combatant start 10 meters away,
-Fight takes place in the Endor Forest

Force, Sabers, All-out.

Bonus Round: Luke tags up with his sister, Leia Organa Solo at her peak; Revan tags of with KotOR II Meetra. Same stipulation as above.

Luke wins handily. He's clearly surpassed Vader at this point, who from his Force Unleashed feats is above SoR Revan. The closest match-up is in offensive Force ability; obviously in sabers Revan dies without much of a fight.

In the bonus round, Leia can use Force harmony on Luke again, and now Luke just one-shots Meetra and ragdolls Revan.

Holy shit, your logic sucks.

Nowhere was it stated Luke surpassed Vader, and feat-by-feat comparison, wouldn't be in Luke's favor.

Except that DE Sidious thinks Luke could challenge him, but obviously Vader could not. And RotJ Luke is already a match for Vader as a duelist with about six months of training; DE Luke has had another six years, lol.

DE Luke wins with moderate effort.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Except that DE Sidious thinks Luke could challenge him, but obviously Vader could not.

Because without the Force Harmony amp, Sidious crushed Luke in under two pages, while still weak from just entering a clone body. Hardly something Vader couldn't replicate.

Sidious seeing him as a "threat" could simply be based on his potential and insane intrinsic ability to learn at an alarming rate.

And RotJ Luke is already a match for Vader as a duelist with about six months of training; DE Luke has had another six years, lol.

Context my friend, context. Vader was conflicted, and Luke familiarity with Vader style and such, helped out in the long run. I doubt he was actually a Vader level duelist, or else he would not have been destroyed by Lumiya the first time, or pushed by Flint.

Besides, dueling =/= Force. Luke himself admitted he wasn't anywhere near as powerful as Vader in CoPL.

IIRC there are a number of sources that allege Vader and Luke were proper equals in ROTJ. The reborn Emperor does remark in Dark Empire that Luke has grown much stronger "since they last met."

And I also recall some reference to improved swordsmanship as well... mmm

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And relevance does Vader have to Revan?

That I think, is the crucial question...

Vader's lightsaber level by RotJ is unsubstantiated. Luke being as skilled as him means little when we don't know how good RotJ Vader is.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
And relevance does Vader have to Revan?

That I think, is the crucial question...

Feat by feat comparison and logical scaling.

Stalemating Old ben, anyone?

Originally posted by nedemette
Vader's lightsaber level by RotJ is unsubstantiated. Luke being as skilled as him means little when we don't know how good RotJ Vader is.

We know approximately how powerful he is and what his augmentation should be like paired with his cybernetics. We know he has all the knowledge and experience from when he was Anakin with added decades of Jedi hunting and Sith training to pile on. We know he employs multiple forms in his fighting style as Vader rather then just 1. I think we can logically reason that there's been marked improvement because of that.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Holy shit, your logic sucks.

Nowhere was it stated Luke surpassed Vader, and feat-by-feat comparison, wouldn't be in Luke's favor.

DE Luke? Lol Revan wins this. Any future version of Luke wins.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Stalemating Old ben, anyone?

He was going to beat Old Ben actually which is why Old Ben didn't bother continuing the fight when he knew Luke and Leia had reached the Falcon.

Originally posted by Syndicate
We know approximately how powerful he is and what his augmentation should be like paired with his cybernetics. We know he has all the knowledge and experience from when he was Anakin with added decades of Jedi hunting and training to pile on. We know he employs multiple forms in his fighting style now rather then just 1. I think we can logically reason that there's been marked improvement because of that.

Originally posted by nedemette
Pre-TFU sources (FightSaber?) stated that Vader and Kenobi were inferior duelists compared to their previous selves. The same source then stated that Vader improved quite a lot by ESB. Hard to say how good he was by RotJ. Vader using multiple styles and all that comes from TFU and Dark Lord, IIRC. Doesn't really apply to the movie-Vader whom Luke faced.

Quotes?

Of course the EU applies to the OT when we're using composite characters.

Uh RotJ Vader muses that he's more powerful than he's ever been, i.e. above his TFU self. That they were published in a different order in real life doesn't create an alternate continuity lol.

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Originally posted by Syndicate
Quotes?

Of course the EU applies to the OT when we're using composite characters.