SoR Revan vs DE Luke Skywalker.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Uh RotJ Vader muses that he's more powerful than he's ever been, i.e. above his TFU self. That they were published in a different order in real life doesn't create an alternate continuity lol.

But logically that would mean he's a superior lightsaber combatant as force power directly correlates with physical augmentation.

I mean what did his saber skills atrophy somehow?

Originally posted by nedemette
When the source says that the duelists were shadows of their former selves because they hadn't fought other duelists in years, which is then contradicted by TFU, yeah, it does create a bit of an issue.

Then you disregard the older source as it's not accurate to what the more current writers believe/believed at the time. If sources that contradicted prior sources were passed through we have to assume it's because the prior source that has been contradicted is not valid anymore.

I mean pretty much every EU source has Vader fighting Jedi. When was that source written? Directly after the OT in the 70's?

I'm not sure which source you're talking about in both above posts.

The source that says they haven't fought other duelists for years.

"When the source says that the duelists were shadows of their former selves because they hadn't fought other duelists in years,"

When was it written?

2002

Anybody know if Vader faced many Jedi close to the OT in any sources before 2002?

Who cares about Vader?

Revan fighting his way through armies while being on a very potent DS nexus, en-rout to besting Malik, BEFORE his prime is honestly superior to anything Vader has done anyway in terms dueling.

Or, did we forget - about Vader's laughable showings against questionable duelist, like Old Ben, Dark Woman, Jax Pavan, and ****ing shitty cyborgs?

Most of us debating for DE since he's a direct measuring stick for DE Luke.

Not at all considering Galen did much the same on Felucia and Vader's performance against him.

The duelists themselves aren't questionable given their performance against Vader since we're measuring Vader's own dueling prowess based off his physical showings in conjunction with the knowledge, experience and skill he should have decades after the Clone Wars. At least that's how I view it.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Anybody know if Vader faced many Jedi close to the OT in any sources before 2002?

Vader's portrayed as very skilled and fast and stuff TFU/post-TFU. Before that, a Maul clone ran rings around him. It's not a retcon, it's just Vader being portrayed differently. Apply Luke being equal to Vader (if we accept that) to the version he faced. It was never the intent that Luke was equal to a hybrid-style, super fast and awesome Vader.

Also doesn't the Rebels authors say that Vader was in his prime in Rebels? lol

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Originally posted by nedemette
i don't get the point you're trying to make

Vader's portrayed as very skilled and fast and stuff TFU/post-TFU. Before that, a Maul clone ran rings around him. It's not a retcon, it's just Vader being portrayed differently. Apply Luke being equal to Vader (if we accept that) to the version he faced. It was never the intent that Luke was equal to a hybrid-style, super fast and awesome Vader.

Also doesn't the Rebels authors say that Vader was in his prime in Rebels? lol

Because if he never faced powerful opponents not long before the OT then that quote only accounts for a long period of stagnation where Vader didn't fight any opponents which we know is directly contradicted by novels like TFU.

That's in canon which contradicts the RotJ novelization which says something along the lines of Vader being at his most powerful by RotJ. Where canon and Legends contradict in composite threads we employ the source we feel to be the most accurate. I believe that to be the RotJ novelization considering it makes sense Vader wouldn't have just reached his cap by Rebels and never grown after that point.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Anybody know if Vader faced many Jedi close to the OT in any sources before 2002?

@nedem: Simply because something wasn't the intent during the time the OT was being made do we ignore all the stuff that goes against its intent? I.E. SWTOR, OCW, DE, etc.

Originally posted by MythLord
I think he faced like one or two... and got scared of a planet-wide army of thousands of villagers with pitchforks and basic blasters. In other words, completely opposite as oppose to modern day Vader...
I think he also fought the Maul-clone at the time, but that was labled as non-canon and Leland Chee had no idea what was going on.

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Rebels isn't Legends.

Originally posted by MythLord
I think he faced like one or two... and got scared of a planet-wide army of thousands of villagers with pitchforks and basic blasters. In other words, completely opposite as oppose to modern day Vader...
I think he also fought the Maul-clone at the time, but that was labled as non-canon and Leland Chee had no idea what was going on.

Eh? What comic or novel was this?

Originally posted by Syndicate
Because if he never faced powerful opponents not long before the OT then that quote only accounts for a long period of stagnation where Vader didn't fight any opponents which we know is directly contradicted by novels like TFU.

Originally posted by Syndicate
That's in canon which contradicts the RotJ novelization which says something along the lines of Vader being at his most powerful. Where canon and Legends contradict in composite threads we employ the source we feel to be the most accurate. I believe that to be the RotJ novelization considering it makes sense Vader wouldn't have just reached his cap by Rebels and never grown after that point.

but:

Originally posted by Syndicate
Then you disregard the older source as it's not accurate to what the more current writers believe/believed at the time. If sources that contradicted prior sources were passed through we have to assume it's because the prior source that has been contradicted is not valid anymore.