I'm sensing a lot of aggression in these comments.
And it likely has nothing to do with being wrong in it's most objective sense, but more because I put my finger on the weak point, a deep feasted insecurity that lingers in the back of a fanatical mind. Rise of the Empire Jedi are poor duelists, but I mentioned Dooku as one of the few exceptions-to-the-rule. But even then, his record leaves a little something to be desired compared to Lord Scourge - who realistically - would, and has crushed Dooku-tier opponents one thousand times over in centuries past. Dooku was second to only Yoda, yet a lot, if not most of the Count's renown came from being a political idealist. He was skilled at resolving conflict throughout the galaxy such as the Sevarcos Dispute of 52 BBY. Which was one among many missions that required no actual fighting whatsoever. So what about lesser thespians? Vos, Kolar, Tinn? Who could they have possibly faced of worth?, other than the remote blaster training devices in the Jedi temple?
Originally posted by Ziggystardust
I'm sensing a lot of aggression in these comments.And it likely has nothing to do with being wrong in it's most objective sense, but more because I put my finger on the weak point, a deep feasted insecurity that lingers in the back of a fanatical mind. Rise of the Empire Jedi are poor duelists, but I mentioned Dooku as one of the few exceptions-to-the-rule. But even then, his record leaves a little something to be desired compared to Lord Scourge - who realistically - would, and has crushed Dooku-tier opponents one thousand times over in centuries past. Dooku was second to only Yoda, yet a lot, if not most of the Count's renown came from being a political idealist. He was skilled at resolving conflict throughout the galaxy such as the Sevarcos Dispute of 52 BBY. Which was one among many missions that required no actual fighting whatsoever. So what about lesser thespians? Vos, Kolar, Tinn? Who could they have possibly faced of worth?, other than the remote blaster training devices in the Jedi temple?
Each other. They have been training for the day the Sith return. You're looking at it the wrong way. The entire purpose of the rule of two is to train the absolute best possible student and make sure he's trained to the highest degree possible. So the no-name Sith you see or the no name jedi you see? They don't exist in the rule of two. Scourge hasn't beaten anyone who's Dooku tier and the problem here is we have Dooku's feats. Most of the average Sith or even the average Darth do not measure up, feat wise, to Dooku. Are there people in the old republic that are Dooku's level? Yes but not that many.
As far as sparring goes? It's not that much different than real duels. If in a par during swordplay someone can't hit me it doesn't matter if he has killed 10-20 people. It's not going to matter. He's going to die regardless. Sparring was designed to get someone ready for a real fight. Amateur mixed martial artists do a lot of sparring and training before their first serious fight and some of the best ones have barely lost. Usually winning their first bout as well against another trained fighter. Sparring tends to be enough.
As for your last statement? HOT can beat Fisto. I'm not disputing this but he wouldn't last against Sidious either. Also Scourge is going down in a few blows too. He gets blitzed.
Originally posted by ZiggystardustIt's probably more likely to be because you don't have a scrap of evidence to support your AIDS-level conjecture. 👆
I'm sensing a lot of aggression in these comments.And it likely has nothing to do with being wrong in it's most objective sense, but more because I put my finger on the weak point, a deep feasted insecurity that lingers in the back of a fanatical mind. Rise of the Empire Jedi are poor duelists, but I mentioned Dooku as one of the few exceptions-to-the-rule. But even then, his record leaves a little something to be desired compared to Lord Scourge - who realistically - would, and has crushed Dooku-tier opponents one thousand times over in centuries past. Dooku was second to only Yoda, yet a lot, if not most of the Count's renown came from being a political idealist. He was skilled at resolving conflict throughout the galaxy such as the Sevarcos Dispute of 52 BBY. Which was one among many missions that required no actual fighting whatsoever. So what about lesser thespians? Vos, Kolar, Tinn? Who could they have possibly faced of worth?, other than the remote blaster training devices in the Jedi temple?
Originally posted by AncientPowerI'm thinking of the children AP, their uncorrupted minds need to be protected.
@Beni, you should know better than to take his ilk seriously.
Anyway lets take a look at Ziggy's argument shall we. 🙂
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Originally posted by ZiggystardustQuite literally the only valid statement made in this post.
The Hero of Thython is the premier Lightsaber duelist of his Day.
And may I remind you all, this is a time period where they had more fights against other blade masters, and they did have a greater need to exercise lightsaber vs lightsaber combat.Which doesn't necessarily translate into better duelists, not when you account for hundreds of potential instructors dying on the battlefield, the need for practical killing forms vs more complex techniques they have not the time to develop, and the fact that they lost vast amounts of knowledge and instructional material during the Sacking of Coruscant.
Imagine entire temples filled with people like Mace and Dooku.Imagine being the key term as this is a nonsensical fantasy. Even in their day Dooku & Windu were prodigies; and having been recognised as some of the greatest lightsaber masters the Order has ever produced, are clearly not at all common.
If there is a prime age for lightsaber combat among the Jedi it's either the time after the Sith War or the time period of the New Sith Empire...After the Sith War? You mean when the Jedi Order had all but been decimated? And during the New Sith Empire period? You mean the Republic Dark Ages when they'd been reduced to conscripting children and using medieval weaponry? Unlikely.
On the other hand the peak of the Jedi golden age, when they'd had 1,000 years of unprecedented peace to develop and improve on their combat techniques in preparation for the next Sith incursion, that produced many Jedi regarded as some of the best in the Order's history, seems like a strong candidate. 👆
and not a time period where Jango fett can solo-stomp Jedi with his bare hands.Which as has already been pointed out, was just as frequent in the Old Republic era.
Here we a have a choice between a high-tier Jedi Master primed for deflecting blaster bolts, and the best duelist of his time, where people like Dooku are commonplace. And in 1 on 1, the latter will always win.Lol nah I don't think so friend, just look at this:
And and as we know from the Great Jensaarai, "those exaggerated sweeping slashes" are the trademark of somebody who doesn't no the next thing about lightsaber to lightsaber combat. 👆
Originally posted by Beniboybling
It's probably more likely to be because you don't have a scrap of evidence to support your AIDS-level conjecture. 👆
There really is no need for this sort of attack. Now, I'm not totally avoid of empathy Beni. I understand how the human ego works, and how it has trouble letting go of such heavily invested concepts. You've spent a large amount of time arguing for your favorite characters, creating Ideas that are backed up by some level of critical-thought and a perspective that might be shared by others. It is such, that you think of attacks on your ideas as an attack on yourself, hence the name-calling, the anger and the AIDS. Is it really to hard to accept that other people might not share your opinion, and have some of their own?
Edit : I see that you've responded maturely, please keep the 'aids' hurling out of it. You never know, their might be people suffering from such diseases reading these posts. Let alone contracting the disease after reading them.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Nah, he was so weakened that Nyriss would have made a complete fool out of him.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
He was powerful enough to tank a ****ing lightsaber strike and collapse the Dark Temple, so shut up already about how he was so weakened a combatant weaker than Fisto could take him, because that clearly isn't true.
Not just a lightsaber strike. He wasn't merely stabbed. He was completely gutted. The HOT sliced right through him.