Tarzan runs the Gauntlet

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, without having actually seen the movie, and going on what people here have mentioned, he should at least get past Black Widow. He seems to be around the same ballpark (at least durability wise) as the Super Soldiers, but I have no idea how good his fighting skill/striking feats are compared to theirs. I haven't watched any of the older Tarzan movies in a long time. I mostly remember Christopher Lambert's forehead looking enormous in Greystoke.

His h2h skills allow him to easily beat a room full of soldiers.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Problem is there aren't any real studies I could find. People tend to estimate how strong they are based on how, for example, they can tear down a banana tree, or support their on bodyweight for extended periods of time with one arm. But the very first numbers that actually came up when I put in "how strong are gorillas" was the 6 to 15 range, from Slate.com, which supposedly specialises in researching and answering questions for people. Then the "mammalfacts" site also threw out the x6 number.

See, that's the thing. "Probably", "maybe". You're also just speculating now.

For a gorilla to be able to lift 2 tons, they would basically need to be able to lift a Bentley Continental off the ground.

If you do a google search on "How much can a gorilla lift" you'll see quite a number of articles that list it as 2000 kgs. Most of the articles will state that a Gorilla can lift 10x it's bodyweight, and if an average silverback is 200 kgs then that translates to 2000 kgs.

Is it accurate? Maybe, maybe not. But I'm sure they (who wrote the articles) know more about it than I do. So unless contrary proof is given, I'd be willing to take their word for it.

Originally posted by Kotor3
It seems that people are not very familiar with how Tarzan should be. Tarzan is supposed to have super strength and agility. When he goes back to the Jungle is suppose to give in to his animal instincts. The movie somewhat display that part of his animal instincts kicking in.

This is the best movie rendition since the black and white movies.

I wonder how strong is Cap and Winter Solider in comparison. Are they stronger than an Ape and can their body take the punishment of getting beat down by blows from an Ape?

Cap was eating blows from bucky's army that would do way more damage than a gorrilla...

Originally posted by FrothByte
If you do a google search on "How much can a gorilla lift" you'll see quite a number of articles that list it as 2000 kgs. Most of the articles will state that a Gorilla can lift 10x it's bodyweight, and if an average silverback is 200 kgs then that translates to 2000 kgs.

Is it accurate? Maybe, maybe not. But I'm sure they (who wrote the articles) know more about it than I do. So unless contrary proof is given, I'd be willing to take their word for it.

Again, while there are articles saying 2 tons, there are also articles saying other numbers, as I have pointed out multiple times. People make predictions based on how they watch gorillas interact with things in nature/zoo enclosures. No one has ever actually sat there and made a gorilla press 2 tons of weight, so that number is a loose estimate at best. And in a number of the threads/discussions where the 2 ton number is brought up, it is met with heavy levels of skepticism.

My issue is that every time I see this number, it's just some random person throwing it out, and not citing any kind of credible source as to where they got the information. And as someone who does research (among other things) by trade, information without a proper source does not sit right with me.

I mean if someone can actually provide me a credible source for this number, and not someone/something called PukeDunk or whatever stating it, I'd be happy to accept it. As it stands, I am taking that number with a serious pinch of salt.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Again, while there are articles saying 2 tons, there are also articles saying other numbers, as I have pointed out multiple times. People make predictions based on how they watch gorillas interact with things in nature/zoo enclosures. No one has ever actually sat there and made a gorilla press 2 tons of weight, so that number is a loose estimate at best. And in a number of the threads/discussions where the 2 ton number is brought up, it is met with heavy levels of skepticism.

My issue is that every time I see this number, it's just some random person throwing it out, and not citing any kind of credible source as to where they got the information. And as someone who does research (among other things) by trade, information without a proper source does not sit right with me.

I mean if someone can actually provide me a credible source for this number, and not someone/something called PukeDunk or whatever stating it, I'd be happy to accept it. As it stands, I am taking that number with a serious pinch of salt.

The numbers you stayed earlier were merely that Gorillas are about 6-15x stronger than humans. That did not say how much they can actually carry. It's not like those figures have a credible source either. Also, the 2000 kgs is not exactly a random number so much as just saying they can lift 10x their body weight.

And while I agree that more scientific proof would be nice, at this point it's a silly argument since you won't get it. And 2000 kgs seems to be the more consistent number we're going to get.

Originally posted by FrothByte
The numbers you stayed earlier were merely that Gorillas are about 6-15x stronger than humans. That did not say how much they can actually carry. It's not like those figures have a credible source either. Also, the 2000 kgs is not exactly a random number so much as just saying they can lift 10x their body weight.

And while I agree that more scientific proof would be nice, at this point it's a silly argument since you won't get it. And 2000 kgs seems to be the more consistent number we're going to get.

Guess we are going to have to agree to disagree here. Because 2 tons sounds like a stretch to me, without any actual proper study to fall back on. Pushing or pulling 2 tons? Sure. But lifting 2 tons off the ground? I am going to need to see something of more substance before buying into that one.

Anyway, as Kotor3 said Tarzan gets all movie feats, I found something that kind of renders the gorilla thing a minor point. In Tarzan's Three Challenges (1963), he apparently tests his strength against a pair of large male buffalo (one with each arm, at the same time). If he can match strength with a pair of buffalo (even briefly), and be tough enough that his arms can take the strain without injury, he is insanely strong and durable.

All Tarzan movies would include the Tarzan animated right?

Serious agility "feats" there.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
All Tarzan movies would include the Tarzan animated right?

Serious agility "feats" there.

Animation is kind of a slippery slope, because should we then include feats for Cap from animated shows and movies as well? Best to stick to live-action IMO.

And after doing more research on that buffalo feat, it really is kind of ridiculous. According to Dr. John Conde, who actually tested their pulling strength, buffalo are, on average, apparently 4 times as strong as an ox. And Tarzan used his arms to resist the pull of two of them simultaneously, for several seconds. That's just silly levels of strength.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Our views differ. None of the feats you mentioned are something a Gorilla could not do and Tarzan has the strength of a Gorilla.

I just cant see a gorilla holding a helicopter back with one arm.

Originally posted by wallman77
Cap was eating blows from bucky's army that would do way more damage than a gorrilla...

Originally posted by tkitna
I just cant see a gorilla holding a helicopter back with one arm.

Huh? He literally let Bucky repeatedly punch him in the face with his metal arm, at the end of TWS. Winter Soldier hit him 6 times IIRC, while in a mounted position. And this was after Cap got stabbed and shot multiple times.

Edit: And that metal arm managed to punch a huge chunk of concrete out of a wall, when Bucky dropped Falcon during his rampage in Civil War.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Animation is kind of a slippery slope, because should we then include feats for Cap from animated shows and movies as well? Best to stick to live-action IMO.

And after doing more research on that buffalo feat, it really is kind of ridiculous. According to Dr. John Conde, who actually tested their pulling strength, buffalo are, on average, apparently 4 times as strong as an ox. And Tarzan used his arms to resist the pull of two of them simultaneously, for several seconds. That's just silly levels of strength.

The movies do show consistency in his super strength and agility which can easily match Cap and Winter Solider. I would say that Tarzan is more agile.

Originally posted by Kotor3
If you think that is silly you should read of his feats from the novel. The movies don't do him due justice.

The movies do show consistency in his super strength and agility which can easily match Cap and Winter Solider. I would say that Tarzan is more agile.

I am aware of what comic/novel Tarzan can do. There is actually a pretty decent subreddit respect thread for him, detailing all of his most impressive feats. At one point in the comics, he swings from a vine and like kicks a T-Rex over or something.

Well if we bring comics into it, Comic Cap pushes Tarzan's dirty dreadlocks in.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Huh? He literally let Bucky repeatedly punch him in the face with his metal arm, at the end of TWS. Winter Soldier hit him 6 times IIRC, while in a mounted position. And this was after Cap got stabbed and shot multiple times.

Edit: And that metal arm managed to punch a huge chunk of concrete out of a wall, when Bucky dropped Falcon during his rampage in Civil War.

Either way the point that the arm can exert or exercise more power than a punch from a gorilla is to be proven. If what you are saying is correct about Cap taking the hits with the metal arm I would still argue that the beating Tarzan took from Kerchak defenseless while protecting Jane, fighting and killing three lions while weaken, and taking the spinning motions from a Croc are much better durability feats then taking hits from Bucky's metal arm.

Originally posted by Kotor3
I have to go back and watch. I do not remember Cap getting punch repeatedly in the face with the metal arm.

Either way the point that the arm can exert or exercise more power than a punch from a gorilla is to be proven. If what you are saying is correct about Cap taking the hits with the metal arm I would still argue that the beating Tarzan took from Kerchak defenseless while protecting Jane, fighting and killing three lions while weaken, and taking the spinning motions from a Croc are much better durability feats then taking hits from Bucky's metal arm.

Well you didn't watch the movie. Cap basically gives up because Bucky's his friend and he gets a good couple full force shots to the face. The most he gets is a slightly split nose.

ANd it's not to be proven, it has been proven. He's pulverized concrete, ripped a steering column out of a car. Caught a full force shield throw, tapped a car and sent it off the road, and even busted out of a cage specifically designed to hold him. The arm has far more feats than a gorilla. Like wrecking Tony's armor for example.

Originally posted by KingD19
Well you didn't watch the movie. Cap basically gives up because Bucky's his friend and he gets a good couple full force shots to the face. The most he gets is a slightly split nose.

ANd it's not to be proven, it has been proven. He's pulverized concrete, ripped a steering column out of a car. Caught a full force shield throw, tapped a car and sent it off the road, and even busted out of a cage specifically designed to hold him. The arm has far more feats than a gorilla. Like wrecking Tony's armor for example.

I provide feats from Tarzan who has the strength of a Gorilla that equate to those feats. You don't have to accept them but you have proven nothing.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
All Tarzan movies would include the Tarzan animated right?

Serious agility "feats" there.

True. But then Cap from The Ultimate Avengers animation had some ridiculous feats as well, like leaping off multiple stories, taking hit after hit from Hulk, etc.