Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Both spiderman and ironman have caught snd lifted speeding vehicles and cap beat both.
Bucky < tarzan = spiderman < cap.
That's a very simplistic view on it. Cap beat Spiderman not because he was stronger or faster but simply because he was a far more experienced fighter than Spidey was. Tarzan is a more experienced fighter than Spidey as well.
Cap only beat IM with excessive help from WS, surroundings that played to his strengths, and quite a bit of plot armor.
Well, if you check on youtube, there are clips showing just how stupidly strong they actually are. Buffalo can launch fully grown lions several feet into the air, and tip cars over, if they get pissed enough. And then there is the x4 strength of an ox number. Doing research, I get some crazy sounding numbers, like an "ox can pull two regular cars", which I am not quite so sure about. A more reasonable number stands at about "pulling and carrying 900kg over rough terrain", even though it's a lower estimate. But if we add in the x4, that's 3.6 tons for a buffalo, in terms of pull/carry weight. And Tarzan was holding one of them back with each arm. So I don't know why people are comparing Cap to an buffalo when they should be comparing him to the guy who was matching strength against two of them.
Originally posted by FrothByteThere are so many different versions of these Cap and Tarzan that is why I included all movies. I try to take a look at all the their feats and come to a middle ground.
True. But then Cap from The Ultimate Avengers animation had some ridiculous feats as well, like leaping off multiple stories, taking hit after hit from Hulk, etc.
The Tarzan in the new film is very strong but not as strong as the one in the black and white films.
In Avengers Black Window took a smack from hulk when she was fleeing and had no broken bones. Very inconsistent displays of strength and durability.
Either way taking hits from the Hulk shows that Cap has extreme durability. However, I'm not willing to say it is more than Tarzan. They are probably very comparable.
It can still become problematic, because different incarnations can vary greatly, depending on the interpretation of the creators. Like you bring up Black Widow. In the one animated film, Avengers Confidential: Black Widow & Punisher, both of those two are straight up bullet timers (they both have multiple feats of dodging close range automatic fire), and can reliably go up against people with legit superhuman stats. So you are always going to end up with wildly fluctuating showings when you start including all showings.
Originally posted by Kotor3
There are so many different versions of these Cap and Tarzan that is why I included all movies. I try to take a look at all the their feats and come to a middle ground.The Tarzan in the new film is very strong but not as strong as the one in the black and white films.
In Avengers Black Window took a smack from hulk when she was fleeing and had no broken bones. Very inconsistent displays of strength and durability.
Either way taking hits from the Hulk shows that Cap has extreme durability. However, I'm not willing to say it is more than Tarzan. They are probably very comparable.
I wouldn't call what Hulk did to BW as a "smack". Smack implies a solid hit that was delivered with force. It looked more like she got side swiped with his hand, or you could even call it a flick. I doubt BW could survive an actual smack or backhanded slap from Hulk.
Originally posted by FrothByteWhat would a flick from a bear, lion, Crock, or Gorilla do to a human? Flick, poke, whatever you wish to call it, it came from the hulk.
I wouldn't call what Hulk did to BW as a "smack". Smack implies a solid hit that was delivered with force. It looked more like she got side swiped with his hand, or you could even call it a flick. I doubt BW could survive an actual smack or backhanded slap from Hulk.
Also the Hulk was not trying to get her out of his way he was going after her, so I consider what he did a legit hit on Black Window.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerI hear what you are saying. The only issue is that there I do not know of one rendition of Tarzan and Cap that would be fair to each other. I will give it a try with another thread.
It can still become problematic, because different incarnations can vary greatly, depending on the interpretation of the creators. Like you bring up Black Widow. In the one animated film, Avengers Confidential: Black Widow & Punisher, both of those two are straight up bullet timers (they both have multiple feats of dodging close range automatic fire), and can reliably go up against people with legit superhuman stats. So you are always going to end up with wildly fluctuating showings when you start including all showings.
Tarzan in the new movie would be a good fight for Cap but would surely lose. The black and white version would be a better fight but then I think it would be a clear strength and agility advantage for Tarzan.
Originally posted by Kotor3
What would a flick from a bear, lion, Crock, or Gorilla do to a human? Flick, poke, whatever you wish to call it, it came from the hulk.Also the Hulk was not trying to get her out of his way he was going after her, so I consider what he did a legit hit on Black Window.
A flick from a bear? Probably knock a human off his feat but do no serious damage.
A flick from Hulk? Well, it launched BW across the room and slammed her on the wall. Still a great durability feat for her.
But let's not pretend that what Hulk did was a full on smack or slap. A full slap from Hulk would have pulverized BW's bones.
Originally posted by FrothByteOkay nothing to argue but I don't agree that a flick from bear would do no serious damage to a human. Also, I don't know what you call a flick. She wasn't guarding herself or in a defense stance, she was running and the Hulk hand hit her body. I will watch again. I don't recall it being his finger or a nip.
A flick from a bear? Probably knock a human off his feat but do no serious damage.A flick from Hulk? Well, it launched BW across the room and slammed her on the wall. Still a great durability feat for her.
But let's not pretend that what Hulk did was a full on smack or slap. A full slap from Hulk would have pulverized BW's bones.
Here is the clip. His full hand hits her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KBp9bw3iPw
Originally posted by Kotor3
Here is the clip. His full hand hits her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KBp9bw3iPw
I never said his full hand didn't hit her or that it was merely a finger or something that hit. I said it wasn't a smack or a slap. To be fair, I guess it also isn't a flick. The best way to describe it was a swipe. Side swipe. Like Hulk barely managed to reach her and just moved her out of the way.
Because there's no way that that was a full smack/slap. A bear or gorilla doing the same motion to a human will leave the human hurt but not seriously injured. Now if the bear or gorilla went with a full powered smack, that's different.
Originally posted by FrothByteI hear what you are saying. It seemed like a smack to me. The point I was making is that no matter a smack or a swipe it came from an anger Hulk that was clearly out to get her.
I never said his full hand didn't hit her or that it was merely a finger or something that hit. I said it wasn't a smack or a slap. To be fair, I guess it also isn't a flick. The best way to describe it was a swipe. Side swipe. Like Hulk barely managed to reach her and just moved her out of the way.Because there's no way that that was a full smack/slap. A bear or gorilla doing the same motion to a human will leave the human hurt but not seriously injured. Now if the bear or gorilla went with a full powered smack, that's different.
Now I agree with your last statement that a similar motion from a bear or gorilla would leave a human hurt. How serious depends on a couple of factors. There have been plenty of cases of humans playing with animals like lions or gorillas and the animal doing a simple swipe or smack and threading the person's arm or breaking bones.
No matter what way you describe the hit, Black Window should not have been able to get back up and get into a fight with Hawkeye. It is simply an inconsistent showing of strength and power from the hulk.