Honestly, in all seriousness, from a strictly objective point of view, I can't see any way for Vader to win this anymore. Telekinesis was the only thing going for him that you could have argued. But now Kun has raising the Corsair hundreds of feet into the air, one of the best tk feats in the mythos, from years prior to his prime. A feat that combines well with his spirit telekinesis feats and his one-shotting of Odan-Urr.
It is simple, the Spirit of Exar Kun attempted to resurrect himself by restoring his lost reserves of energy, requiring the dozen Jedi as a nucleus of followers to restore his power:
A few scant years later, Kun is brought sharply awake by the arrival of not one or two, but a dozen humans blazing with the power he needed to live again. Eagerly but cautiously, Kun observes each arrival, probing for weaknesses and the power he needs to restore his lost reserves of energy. For a time, he is able to subside by feeding on their residual energy, but soon he will need worshippers if he is to grow more active. With a nucleus of followers to provide him energy-providing anger and fear, Kun will have enough power to escape his exile and take on human form.
- The Jedi Academy Sourcebook
As is repeated here:
Eleven years later, when Luke founded the Jedi academy on Yavin 4, Exar Kun corrupted Luke’s most powerful student, Kyp Durron, and attempted to resurrect himself by draining power from Luke and the other trainees.
- Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force
Here, it is stated that Streen, Gantoris and Kyp Durron were only capable of providing him with some of the energy to fuel some of his powers:
Exar Kun himself possessed a great many other dark powers that he was unable to harness without the energy he needed to fuel his disembodied will. Some of these powers he was able to channel through Kyp, Gantoris, and Streen to achieve his ends.
- The Jedi Academy Sourcebook[/i]
Such limitations are stated again here:
Emperor Palpatine and the ancient Sith Lords Marka Ragnos and Exar Kun managed to preserve their psyches after their deaths, but it seems their spiritual forms were restricted by certain boundaries and limitations.
- Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No, it's because they don't say what you're claiming they do.
Err, Slice, she was asked to provide those quotes by Syndicate. Very specific quotes, which she did indeed deliver. I don;t see any doublespeak in her words or the quotes, so if you could, please clarify your stance.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Err, Slice, she was asked to provide those quotes by Syndicate. Very specific quotes, which she did indeed deliver. I don;t see any doublespeak in her words or the quotes, so if you could, please clarify your stance.
Freshest has a habit of dismissing anything not fitting into his narrative.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Err, Slice, she was asked to provide those quotes by Syndicate. Very specific quotes, which she did indeed deliver. I don;t see any doublespeak in her words or the quotes, so if you could, please clarify your stance.
Originally posted by AncientPower
It is simple, the Spirit of Exar Kun attempted to resurrect himself by restoring his lost reserves of energy, requiring the dozen Jedi as a nucleus of followers to restore his power:
As is repeated here:
Here, it is stated that Streen, Gantoris and Kyp Durron were only capable of providing him with some of the energy to fuel some of his powers:
Such limitations are stated again here:
"You're the one yes. Not like the scabs that exited the shuttle with you. You radiate power, lord. I bow before you."
Obviously shows that the Wrath is so powerful even none Force Sensitives are able to sense it as early the prologue. Which is ridiculous to say the least.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That's very nice. Did I say she gave quotes for no reason? No. What I said is they do not say what she is saying they say. It's not about double speak, it's about misrepresentation, something AP manages to do all the time.Take this, for example. Her quote does not say that Kun requires these 12 people to take back his human form, it just says 12 people showed up and that he'd need followers, so taking their latent energy isn't enough.
Is a blatant lie because it doesn't even give the same point of view as the first quote, let alone specify that every single person that showed up was needed for anything.
Another lie. The quote just says that Exar Kun was able to channel some of his powers through these three. It doesn't say that he couldn't use them all, although that is not an impossibility, but it doesn't even go on to explain what all of these powers are. Or if they are even combat applicable.
Also does not support her point in the way that she claims because it doesn't state what those limitations specifically are for anyone, let alone Kun, nor does it go into how this would compare to him in life. It would be like me saying:
Obviously shows that the Wrath is so powerful even none Force Sensitives are able to sense it as early the prologue. Which is ridiculous to say the least.
Ok, first and foremost, please calm down. I only asked you to clarify since I'm not seeing what you are seeing. I'm not saying either side is wrong or right here.
Second, maybe she's just interpreting the information differently from you? That's not to say that either stance is incorrect. I just feel you should ask her for further clarification, and WHY it needs further clarification, rather than openly calling her a liar. All that does is attack the poster rather than the point. Just a suggestion.