Originally posted by AncientPower
Oh, he did better than that, he was choking out a group of melded Jedi who go on to throw a dozen Star Destroyers across a system.
Not to mention, they did that a full year after the Kun incident, so it reasonable to assume the likes of Kyp, Streen, etc grew in power since then.
The feats are nowhere near similar, and you're frankly retarded to think so.
Vader TK'ed a frigate and pulverized armored lyleks with the force well before his prime, along with wrecking starkiller. And many quotes suggest that Vader grew dramatically in power:
"Vader is thus a far more formidable foe on Bespin than he was against Ben Kenobi on the Death Star."
"Over time Vader has advanced in his ability to manipulate the dark side of the Force, and has used it to sustain his own damaged body as well as to persuade opponents of his will. Under the Emperor's tutelage, Vader learns to kill with mere suggestion."
Also his power is stated to be second only to the emperor: "In his distinctive black armor, Vader is an imposing figure. In the entire galaxy, he is second in power only to the Emperor himself." And this would include Karness Muur.
Oh and there's this "Lord Vader, your skills are unmatched by any Sith before you. Go forth, my boy. Go forth, and bring peace to our Empire."
Originally posted by AncientPower
Vader has done nothing in the Force that Kun hasn't replicated or exceeded himself.
That's ridiculous. Vader has significantly better non-sorcery based feats in the Force - Kun's best competition is allegedly lifting a ship under incredibly unknown conditions, with a nexus, and probably with amulets too.
@chingchangwalla Well, for example, out of uncontrollable rage Vader using nothing but the power of his telekinesis brought down and made a huge building completely collapse. It took three days for rescue teams to finally find him and dig him out, so that gives you the idea of how massive the building was. Yes, Exar Kun also did a similar things, but not by his own, pure power in the force, but by the aid of his amulets and sith sorcery. The founder of this thread clearly pointed out that Exar Kun is not under the possession of amulets. All Darth Vader needs in order to accomplish incredible things and in order to demonstrate his full potential in the power of the force is a motivation, and he finds best motivation in PAIN and sorrow. Now that i cleared that out, there is no need for me to explain myself why Vader takes advantage in terms of Durability and Strength. Oh, and by the way, AIDS in your brain, son.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
No, he didn't. It took a good dozens more Jedi to achieve that ISD feat than the ones Kun chocked, as well as Dorsk 81 entering on drawing on the Yavin Temples, and dying to accomplish such a feat.Not to mention, they did that a full year after the Kun incident, so it reasonable to assume the likes of Kyp, Streen, etc grew in power since then.
The feats are nowhere near similar, and you're frankly retarded to think so.
Wow, powerscaling apparently vanished from your thought processes.
It was Dorsk 81, Streen, Kam Solusar, Brakiss, Jaina Solo, Jacen Solo, Cilghal, Tionne Solusar, Kirana Ti, the Spirit of Luke Skywalker and the Spirit of Vodo Siosk-Baas in melded unison who subverted Kun's power and defeated him collectively.
First of all, consider the fact that Jacen and Jaina, whilst infants, were being subjected to a similar power, to that which allowed their elder Anakin Solo, as an unborn infant, to aid in the defeat of Reborn Palpatine. Not to mention this is the Spirit of Master Luke Skywalker, for the love of God.
Now, you claimed that Kun hasn't replicated Vader 'choking out'(cus Starkiller didn't Repulse outta that almost instantly) a frigate buster. If that melded group of Jedi is only partially as strong as the group that telekinetically launched a dozen Star Destroyers half way across the Yavin system, then that's still vastly more powerful a Force choke feat for the Spirit of Exar Kun. Certainly moreso than 'choking' Starkiller, who proceeds to break Vader's grip and proceeds to pummel him after.
Perhaps even more importantly, this was an Exar Kun who had exhausted his powers drained from Gantoris, on drawing out the Suncrusher and defeating Luke. Streen was actively fighting Exar Kun, and Kyp Durron was across the galaxy and was actively attempting to silence Kun in his mind.
So this is Exar Kun's bare spirit with no source to drain energy from, a literal shadow of his former self in life. Exar Kun is in other words, definitely capable of not simply replicating this feat in life, but doing far, far better.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
That's ridiculous. Vader has significantly better non-sorcery based feats in the Force - Kun's best competition is allegedly lifting a ship under incredibly unknown conditions, with a nexus, and probably with amulets too.