Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'm mobile atm, but our b1tchfest will continue tonight when I'm in front of my PC with a full keyboard and the ability to post .gifs to properly convey my disdain.What's the point of a .gifless b1tchfest?
What's the point of further derailing this thread with your offtopic nonsense, .gifless or not?
Originally posted by Nai
That you dug, with clear expectations of me to jump in - despite proclaiming otherwise. And, yes, make it "our offtopic nonsense" then. Doesn't change the fact that it is still nonsense and offtopic.
Lmao. No, you, per usual, sought me*. I was deriding Ziggy & Neph.
Spoiler:
*Because I own your soul.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Lmao. No, you, per usual, sought me*. I was deriding Ziggy & Neph.Spoiler:
*Because I own your soul.
Excuse me. Shall we do a reality check together?
Page 22:
You stepping in with some offhand insult
You're trying to debate my points, without adressing me at all
The indicident where I "sought you out"? Page 27.
You were saying?
Don't be petulant.
We have precedent of you randomly sniping at me me. In this case, I generously told Beni not to get his hopes up about you. To save you both the disappointment of each other's company. I'm a hero like that.
Then I simply made an offhand comment about the absence of evidence supporting one side of the argument.
When you stepped in, pages later, I was mocking Ziggy and Neph. And I'll note you didn't actually address the previous instances. You stumbled into an entirely separate conversation entirely.
Don't blame me for your eagerness to engage me.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Don't be petulant.We have precedent of you randomly sniping at me me. In this case, I generously told Beni not to get his hopes up about you. To save you both the disappointment of each other's company. I'm a hero like that.
Then I simply made an offhand comment about the absence of evidence supporting one side of the argument.
When you stepped in, pages later, I was mocking Ziggy and Neph. And I'll note you didn't actually address the previous instances. You stumbled into an entirely separate conversation entirely.
Don't blame me for your eagerness to engage me.
Whatever. Back to topic?
Originally posted by Nai
Force Balance Shift and its (immediate) effects?
Nah.
But I will offer you my .gifless closing remarks on our long-standing dispute, since you wanna wrap up:
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[*]Sparse instances don't negate overwhelming trends. The times you promulgated Antediluvian tyrannyheresy vastly outweigh the times you challenged it.
[*]You were far more interested in dogma than debate. During the Dark Times, long before the Sheevites reigned and the Most Honourable Lightsnake was the lone critic against Antediluvian heresytyranny, you ruthlessly dogpiled him alongside Janus and Illustrious and IKC and Fishy and Glentract and Sorgo and the rest of the jackboots rather than encourage dissent.
[*]That hasn't changed in 10 years. Citing three examples where you kinda? opposed members of #teamswtor is silly: your platform and theirs generally helix.
[*]Your preoccupation with my ego is hella ironic: this is you, twice in the same conversation, compelled to assure the world you really were smarter and better than your e-nemesis when he was 14-years-old.
[*]There is literally no reason for us to debate anything vaguely related to Star Wars: not only are we diametrically opposed, there's quite literally no mutual respect that binds us, if there ever truly was at all. We tried, baby. 😬
[*]Hail Sheev. Srsly. excellent
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That's all I have left to say. You may resume your Heresy.
So, to bump.
Points for Vader (no order):
- He still has potential rivaling Sidious (double before, cut in half)
- He has cybernetics and a lightsaber resistant suit
- His feats and accolades as a duelist seem to be superior; Kun was a prodigy, but Anakin was a GOAT contender, and Vader retained that skill
- He almost certainly has more raw power with respect to Force augmentation
- His TK feats are incredible
- He does have experience with sorcery
Points for Kun:
- He shattered lots of beskar casually (this might actually be the most impressive lol)
- He beat JA Luke while a weakened spirit, albeit with Kyp's help
- He may or may not have TK'd a capital ship
- He did a TP thing to a city-planet, allegedly to every technician in it, but some would say just to those in the surrounding area
- He was a prodigious swordsman having invented his own form, and has the agility and mobility advantage over Vader
- There are some quotes putting him above previous ancient sith and whatnot
- He has lots of potent sorcery abilities
- He has an unorthodox form (so does Vader, but likely to a lesser extent)
I'd side with Exar if I take more generous interpretations of the beskar shattering, beating Luke, and his TP/TK feats. I'd side with Vader if I take more moderate stances.
Vader's probably the better swordsman; Exar inventing that form isn't as impressive by Vader's time given the proliferation of double-bladed sabers, whereas Vader's former destruction of masters like Dooku impresses me more, especially given his likely advantage in augmentation. This could all change depending on the beskar thing.
In the Force...well, you could say that Luke was blindsided and didn't know about that sorcery, whereas Vader does to some extent. Plus Vader would be able to retaliate whereas Luke in that context really couldn't. Vader's TK might actually give him the win; it depends on that really weird starship feat that might not even be a feat at all.
Overall, I'm leaning towards Vader; he has enough knowledge of sorcery to counter, and the beskar shattering might not be as impressive as we don't know how shatter resistant it is.
It's still an unorthodox combination. In either case, I think Obi Wan knew trakata, I don't think Vader would be flustered by "advanced hybrid niman", and it seems like his unique weapon is simply inferior to the double bladed forms later more thoroughly developed, which Vader is almost certainly familiar with.
Vader likely has better Force augmentation, his skill feats are superior, etc.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
It's still an unorthodox combination. In either case, I think Obi Wan knew trakata, I don't think Vader would be flustered by "advanced hybrid niman", and it seems like his unique weapon is simply inferior to the double bladed forms later more thoroughly developed, which Vader is almost certainly familiar with.Vader likely has better Force augmentation, his skill feats are superior, etc.
The fact you're comparing his weapon to generic Sith saberstaffs is the problem in the first place.
I don't think it'll matter much. I don't think combatants at Vader's level are that affected by facing unorthodox weapons, except for in extreme cases like Lumiya's lightwhip, where the weapon's behavior is incredibly exotic. Obi Wan was very capable of fending off Grievous's four lightsaber, inhuman delivery style, for instance.