Kun Pulls A Nihilus

No, I'm not. I'm saying that in broad terms, the two scenarios parallel, which is what the text indicates. There's no insinuation, let alone indication, of brute TK.

Except for the fact that you are ignoring the wording, which implicitly states he raised the ship and made it spaceworthy. A comparison is then made to none other than Darth Nihilus, a very distinct choice given his own raising of ships with telekinesis.

This entire sourcebook spends time giving love service to the Kotor era and yet you think in a stark constrast to the rest of the book, this part is meant to be taken with subtlety?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
No, I'm not. I'm saying that in broad terms, the two scenarios parallel, which is what the text indicates. There's no insinuation, let alone indication, of brute TK.

How can it indicate the two scenarios parallel without an insinuation of them, like, paralleling? :I

Originally posted by AncientPower
Except for the fact that you are ignoring the wording, which implicitly states he raised the ship and made it spaceworthy. A comparison is then made to none other than Darth Nihilus, a very distinct choice given his own raising of ships with telekinesis.

This entire sourcebook spends time giving love service to the Kotor era and yet you think in a stark constrast to the rest of the book, this part is meant to be taken with subtlety?

I'm not ignoring the wording lol. The wording pretty clearly refers to both flagships being of a type that the galaxy thought was destroyed. Each Sith Lord resurrected a derelict to use as his flagship. That Kun did so does not imply or require TK.

Originally posted by Nephthys
How can it indicate the two scenarios parallel without an insinuation of them, like, paralleling? :I

Your argument conflates similar with identical. The two scenarios can parallel without being exactly the same.

They can be, but the insinuation is still present that they parallel in that regard.

It would not say he raised it and made it space-worthy, if it did not mean what it clearly implies, the statement would be otherwise redundant. The Nihilus comparison simply serves to reinforce this.

Originally posted by Nephthys
They can be, but the insinuation is still present that they parallel in that regard.

I disagree.

Originally posted by AncientPower
It would not say he raised it and made it space-worthy, if it did not mean what it clearly implies, the statement would be otherwise redundant. The Nihilus comparison simply serves to reinforce this.

And I might agree if the only way Kun could possibly resurrect and repair the vessel would be via brute TK. But that's not the case.

Making it space-worthy would make a generic statement about raising the ship redundant however.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Making it space-worthy would make a generic statement about raising the ship redundant however.

As you say, it had a massive temple built around it. The process is twofold: retrieve the ship, repair the ship.

None of which insinuates, let alone requires, brute TK.

Given that the ship is visibly seen leaving directly after he finds it, and the temple is next to it, that doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Given that the ship is visibly seen leaving directly after he finds it, and the temple is next to it, that doesn't make sense.

....what?

Tbh what I don't get is why this is even necessary. As you yourself highlighted AP the Corsair was not a wreck, it was preserved, nor was it literally buried, it's sitting in a hangar quite undamaged.

Why therefore would it be necessary to remove it using TK? What could Kun possible achieve that its engines couldn't accomplish on its own?

Tempest's assessment is still the most functional here, that the comparison being made is between two Sith Lords who made a derelict and "buried" ship space-worthy again, but not necessarily through identical means.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Tbh what I don't get is why this is even necessary. As you yourself highlighted AP the Corsair was not a wreck, it was preserved, nor was it literally buried, it's sitting in a hangar quite undamaged.

Why therefore would it be necessary to remove it using TK? What could Kun possible achieve that its engines could accomplish on its own?

Tempest's assessment is still the most functional here, that the comparison being made is between two Sith Lords who made a derelict and "buried" ship space-worthy again, but not necessarily through identical means.

Kun even claims that "if it still operates," he won't be stranded, implying that if it's not, he's screwed.

It's obvious that Nihilus had to use TK because the Ravager was litteraly buried on Malachor V while the Corsair isn't. If Kun had to use TK in order to free the ship (which is never indicated since the situations are different) then he had to destroy the upper part of the temple (or at least a significant part of the temple) which is never indicated. The referrence is, because of the presented evidence, in context to both Nihilus's and Kun's choice of flagship.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Kun even claims that "if it still operates," he won't be stranded, implying that if it's not, he's screwed.

The only thing I can't seem to find is the scan where the Corsair actually departs. The last I see of it is in #5 when Kun finds it and then in issue #6 Kun shows up on Cinnagar.

Perhaps its in the limited gloss edition. 🙂

It's on page 183 of the Omnibus, it states Kun brought the ship to the light of day.

No statement or reference at all is made to establish the idea that he artificially created a means to raise the ship.

Instead we have a statement referring to Exar Kun raising the ship and making it spaceworthy. The idea that the comparison to Nihilus, is on them both using ship wrecks, is itself flawed. The Corsair wasn't a wreck, it was entombed within the bowels of the Temple of Fire.

That is where the comparison is made, Exar Kun raised the Corsair out of the Temple and Nihilus raised the Ravager out of Malachor V. The specific term 'raise' is conspicuous, instead of simply exhumed or dug out.

I also found another great feat for Exar Kun, he was capable of blinding every technician on Cinnagar to his ship's attack and caused them to sit there ignorantly whilst he killed them.

Another would imply the first was valid. 🙂