Though all of the_Derriphan-class battleships were thought to be destroyed in the Great Hyperspace War, at least one survived. The ship, belonging to Naga Sadow, was buried on Yavin 4._During the Great Sith War, Exar Kun would raise the ship from the planet and put it back to service, similar to the way Darth Nihilus would raise the_Ravager_from the ruined surface of Malachor V.
-- Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide, Page 163
Originally posted by BeniboyblingTo which I'd add that lifting it out of the temple wouldn't suddenly make it function lol.
[...] it says he "put in back into service", you know, after being out of use for centuries [not because it was broken]. With Kun musing that he'll only be able to escape if the ship is still operable.
Originally posted by AncientPowerBecause "raise" means lift and that's what engines do god.
He raised it and made the ship spaceworthy, similar to the way Nihilus did. In what realm of the English language does that mean 'engines'?
Originally posted by SunRazer
Their choice of flagship has nothing to do with the way they resurrect the ship, which is what's similar between Kun and Nihilus. The similarity in question was specifically stated to be tied directly to the way that Nihilus resurrected his ship, which was through TK, so frankly, I'm not seeing much of a counter-argument.Also, who said it wasn't necessary for Kun to use telekinesis? The ship was buried and had a temple built around it, and we don't see it actually happening, so you can't say it was lacking in Kun's case.
Of course there is a difference, the Ravager was litteraly buried while the Corsair wasn't. Give me a realistic scenario where Kun had to use telekinesis in order to "free" the ship?
Originally posted by Emperordmb
"put it back to service" = make it spaceworthy... not the act of using it as a flagship or anything.
It means that someone is using something again... In this case, the Corsair is being used again by Exar Kun after being out of service (= not used) for thousand years.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Not that TKing something would again, make it spaceworthy.
Seriously, unless if Kun has some Force ability to repair ships, how does the TK hypothesis make sense at all? And even if he did, why couldn't he just use it on the ship while it's in the Temple? How does TK factor into this at all?
It states, for the nth time, that Kun raised it and put it back into service.
I would love to have an answer to my other question, how the hell does using engines raise it out of the temple it is entombed in? There's a giant 'ring of fire' sacrificial pit a few thousand feat above it and the rest of the temple, which dwarfs the ship itself.
Exar Kun 'raised' the ship, Exar Kun 'brought it to the light of day', in the way Darth Nihilus raised the Ravager.
If only the temple wasn't damaged at all in the comic, thus that clearly isn't what happened. But yeh, genius idea, ram through a few hundred/thousand feet of rock and stone in the only ship on the planet and hope it doesn't explode.
In what way is the comparison to how Nihilus raised the Ravager, i.e. telekinesis, an indication of engines?
That exact same problem would exist if he had used TK...
You're not only assuming that the comparison has to pertain to whether they used engines or TK, but also assuming that Nihilus used TK to raise the Ravager.
The biggest theme here is that it would be pointless to use TK when you could clearly access the ship and just use the engines instead, lol.
Nihilus did use telekinesis to tear the ship from Malachor V:
He tore it from the mass shadows of Malachor, along with his fleet, that is a measure of his power.
- Tobin, Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
The Ravager was hauled from the gravity well at Malachor V by its new master. He used it to escape imprisonment on Malachor V.
- Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
Exar Kun raised the Corsair in the same way, according to the Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide:
During the Great Sith War, Exar Kun would raise the ship from the planet and put it back to service, similar to the way Darth Nihilus would raise the Ravager from the ruined surface of Malachor V.
- Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide, Page 163
They both 'raise' their respective ships from the surface of their respective planets in the same way, which as I've shown was telekinesis. A measure of Darth Nihilus' power. Nihilus undoubtedly dislodged the ship using telekinesis, as Exar Kun would have had to do.
There's abundant reason to disregard that tortured interpretation, AP.
It's even more peculiar because I give you a quote that says the Emperor's Force storms threatened to consume all of space, infinitely more clear-cut than this, and you deny endlessly. But here, you somehow expect everyone to concede to your interpretation here?