Originally posted by NemeBro
He's also wearing heavy armour in those scenes, so is slower than he would be wearing light clothing.
There's really no proof that his armor is that heavy that it hampers his movements that much. Besides in that warehouse fight he isn't slow but he did show a certain lack of skill by getting hit multiple times and blindsided. His movememts though were fast enough.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
I think it was implied as "positive" showings. Cuz one doesn't normally count instances where a character got beat as a "feat" for that character (unless it's to showcase something specific that they did well in spite of losing).
Yet
In every showing Widow has had against larger opponents, she's had no trouble taking them down quicklyincludes winning and losing in equal meassure doesn't it, since you're including all her showings? Anyway just wanted to ensure you hadn't forgotten that Black Widow both time she engaged Winter Soldier, who is larger, she lost. That was all.
he's definitely fast enough to tag her; he was perfectly able to dodge point blank multiple shots from a shotgun in the trafficking house while he was in an awkward position scrambling on the wall so we know he's fast as shit. Yeah he got tagged in the warehouse fightt although take into account Batman had to have been hurting from his encounter with Superman but it did seem as if he was leaning on his armour a bit and that would hurt his chances in this fight...if Widow had any weapons...as it stands the OP stip is that neither get any weapons therefore Batman destroys her; Nat will flip around and do some Luchador shit on him for sure but once he hits her she's done for.
PS I really loved that warehouse fight, one of the only times I've seen a fight where the goons actually gang up o a guy like it would happen in real life! no standing around n shit...very well done IMO
Originally posted by Utrigita
Yet includes winning and losing in equal meassure doesn't it, since you're including all her showings? Anyway just wanted to ensure you hadn't forgotten that Black Widow both time she engaged Winter Soldier, who is larger, she lost. That was all.
Like I said, positive showings were implied. In my experience, the words "feats" and "showings" have have been at times used interchangeably.
But if you're going to be pedantic about it, consider this a clarification of my stance.
Originally posted by tkitna
Bucky is Superhuman though. He would beat Batman too.
I don't believe I've said or stated otherwise.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Like I said, positive showings were implied. In my experience, the words "feats" and "showings" have have been at times used interchangeably.But if you're going to be pedantic about it, consider this a clarification of my stance.
Just a habit from another board, where there is distinction that is all.
Originally posted by tkitna
Bucky is Superhuman though. He would beat Batman too.
You know, according to Snyder himself, the armor Batflect wore during his fight against Superman did not increase his strength; only his durability...
If thats the case, then Batflect is absolutely superhuman as well...
Remember the scene where Bats is swinging Supes into the concrete columns one after another? If thats all Bats natural strength, then there can be no doubt that Batflect is superhumanly strong...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
You know, according to Snyder himself, the armor Batflect wore during his fight against Superman did not increase his strength; only his durability...If thats the case, then Batflect is absolutely superhuman as well...
Remember the scene where Bats is swinging Supes into the concrete columns one after another? If thats all Bats natural strength, then there can be no doubt that Batflect is superhumanly strong...
Source?
Edit. Did a little research.
Snyder would disagree with you:
“Batman, unlike Superman or Wonder Woman or Flash, is a guy without powers, Snyder said. “He’s a man. He’s all of us. I think that’s it. We all carry around a hero inside of ourselves every day. It’s that guy. It’s Batman. I thank Bob for that. We all owe him a debt of gratitude. In that hero that we carry around, we realize that the hero is us, because he’s just the man. In truth, we are all the Batman.â€
Source: http://collider.com/batman-vs-superman-costume-inspiration-zack-snyder-bob-kane/
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Source?Edit. Did a little research.
Snyder would disagree with you:
“Batman, unlike Superman or Wonder Woman or Flash, is a guy without powers, Snyder said. “He’s a man. He’s all of us. I think that’s it. We all carry around a hero inside of ourselves every day. It’s that guy. It’s Batman. I thank Bob for that. We all owe him a debt of gratitude. In that hero that we carry around, we realize that the hero is us, because he’s just the man. In truth, we are all the Batman.â€
Source: http://collider.com/batman-vs-superman-costume-inspiration-zack-snyder-bob-kane/
How does Synder disagree with me?
If anything he contradicts himself by having the suit offer no strength increase, but having Bruce perform feats that are clearly superhuman:
https://www.cinemablend.com/new/Why-Batman-Has-Mech-Suit-Batman-V-Superman-72528.html
Sorry, but the following is 100% a feat of superhuman strength (3 minute, 27 second mark and onward); since the suit offers no strength increase, then this is all Bruce's brute strength on display:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egWrJpD-Lx8
In this regard, Batflect is identical to the comicbook version of Batman...
In the comic, Batman is constantly stated to have peak human strength, but there are mountains of feats from him that are clearly superhuman...
Originally posted by Utrigita
Found the interview.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXP-uvc7DZs
15:15
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Thank you Utrigita!
Some people just dont wanna accept the fact that Batman is Superhumanly strong and will crush Black Widow like a bug...
Edit: looks like you are the one wrong here Nib! 😉
Originally posted by Utrigita"It's not really enhancing his strength more than protecting him."
Found the interview.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXP-uvc7DZs
15:15
So it does still enhance his strength. It's just more useful for protection.
Black Widow has shown "superhuman" feats as well. I wouldn't call her super human in any way.
Some people are so easy to throw out the superhuman tag into their favorite characters. Its as funny as people thinking Nite Owl and Rorsh were superhuman.
If we go by that then, Batman better hit harder than a Hulk slap or he wont KO Blackwidow in any shape or form.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Edit: looks like you are the one wrong here Nib! 😉
How am I wrong? Did I say anything not true?
My quote was taken directly from a Snyder interview. And I merely repeated it and how it disagrees with your comment of Batman being absolutely superhuman.
So pls. If you can point out where I was wrong, quote the exact point/statement that I was in that statement.
If you have issues with what he said, take it up with him or the article that published what he said.