IS Speed The ONLY Reason Superman Beats thor?
on here and a lot of other fiction vs sites the general consensus seems to be that superman beats thor...............but only because of the massive speed advantage, without speed would superman still take a majority?
also if thor had supes/flash like speed would he beat superman for a majority?
Superman is also stronger and more durable. He also has better damage soak overall because he has a very noticeable healing factor. He's also a lot smarter and uses versatility more than Thor.
Speed equalized though, Thor has the magic trump card that evens the field. And a few exotic options he might be able to pull out.
Without the speed advantage, its 50/50 for me.
Originally posted by CosmicCometwait a minute. Strength, and durability, I could agree with (though durability is more debatable), but better damage soak? When has his damage soak ever been as good as Thor's?
Superman is also stronger and more durable. He also has better damage soak overall because he has a very noticeable healing factor. He's also a lot smarter and uses versatility more than Thor.Speed equalized though, Thor has the magic trump card that evens the field. And a few exotic options he might be able to pull out.
Without the speed advantage, its 50/50 for me.
Re: IS Speed The ONLY Reason Superman Beats thor?
Originally posted by ghostmanThor would win easily. He has greater skill and his versatility would now be effective. Without speed then Thor would not have time to be versatile. The skill advantage would be the one that gives Thor the edge.
on here and a lot of other fiction vs sites the general consensus seems to be that superman beats thor...............but only because of the massive speed advantage, without speed would superman still take a majority?also if thor had supes/flash like speed would he beat superman for a majority?
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Superman is also stronger and more durable. He also has better damage soak overall because he has a very noticeable healing factor. He's also a lot smarter and uses versatility more than Thor.Speed equalized though, Thor has the magic trump card that evens the field. And a few exotic options he might be able to pull out.
Without the speed advantage, its 50/50 for me.
you have a superman bias, can someone obje........... you know what nevermind
Because the fight would usually revert to a brawl, no, speed isn't the only reason. Strength edge is with Kal. Durability is less certain, but is fairly close.
Thor's advantages are largely in the realms of energy and magic, where Mjolnir gives him a trump card. While it makes him better in, say, many of the tournaments that we run, it doesn't help him much in this particular fight.
Originally posted by ghostman
on here and a lot of other fiction vs sites the general consensus seems to be that superman beats thor...............but only because of the massive speed advantage, without speed would superman still take a majority?also if thor had supes/flash like speed would he beat superman for a majority?
Its a toss up. They are more or less equals and even with speed factored in it could go either way on any given day. Anyone who says otherwise is a biased fanboy.
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Originally posted by Sin I AMThey are equals in terms of the type of threats they can stop. They are not equals when fighting each other. The speed advantage is the most hax advantage. It's EXACTLY like fighting someone who is almost frozen. Think about it? Without the speed advantage Thor has the edge. His skill, defense with Mjolnir, weakness magic having, and versatility outweighs Superman's strength and durability advantage.
Its a toss up. They are more or less equals and even with speed factored in it could go either way on any given day. Anyone who says otherwise is a biased fanboy....thread
In a comic, they writer most likely will have them fighting at the same speed, just like Superman would fight Hulk or ANYONE of popularity. But this is not what will happen in a forum fight. Superman will have speed ability and perception.
Originally posted by h1a8
They are equals in terms of the type of threats they can stop. They are not equals when fighting each other. The speed advantage is the most hax advantage. It's EXACTLY like fighting someone who is almost frozen. Think about it? Without the speed advantage Thor has the edge. His skill, defense with Mjolnir, weakness magic having, and versatility outweighs Superman's strength and durability advantage.In a comic, they writer most likely will have them fighting at the same speed, just like Superman would fight Hulk or ANYONE of popularity. But this is not what will happen in a forum fight. Superman will have speed ability and perception.
Its a toss up. They are more or less equals and even with speed factored in it could go either way on any given day. Anyone who says otherwise is a biased fanboy.
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Originally posted by Digi
Because the fight would usually revert to a brawl, no, speed isn't the only reason. Strength edge is with Kal. Durability is less certain, but is fairly close.Thor's advantages are largely in the realms of energy and magic, where Mjolnir gives him a trump card. While it makes him better in, say, many of the tournaments that we run, it doesn't help him much in this particular fight.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Its a toss up. They are more or less equals and even with speed factored in it could go either way on any given day. Anyone who says otherwise is a biased fanboy....thread
Well put.
Originally posted by FaceeActually it's not. I made it look not well put.
Well put.
Originally posted by h1a8
They are equals in terms of the type of threats they can stop. They are not equals when fighting each other. The speed advantage is the most hax advantage. It's EXACTLY like fighting someone who is almost frozen. Think about it? Without the speed advantage Thor has the edge. His skill, defense with Mjolnir, weakness magic having, and versatility outweighs Superman's strength and durability advantage.In a comic, they writer most likely will have them fighting at the same speed, just like Superman would fight Hulk or ANYONE of popularity. But this is not what will happen in a forum fight. Superman will have speed ability and perception.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Superman is also stronger and more durable. He also has better damage soak overall because he has a very noticeable healing factor. He's also a lot smarter and uses versatility more than Thor.Speed equalized though, Thor has the magic trump card that evens the field. And a few exotic options he might be able to pull out.
Without the speed advantage, its 50/50 for me.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Superman is also stronger and more durable. He also has better damage soak overall because he has a very noticeable healing factor. He's also a lot smarter and uses versatility more than Thor.Speed equalized though, Thor has the magic trump card that evens the field. And a few exotic options he might be able to pull out.
Without the speed advantage, its 50/50 for me.
What ever the hell you're smoking you need to give up, it's seriously damaging your thought process.
No way in hell does Superman have greater damage soak than Thor. Thor took Silver Surfers best blasts whilst he had a hole in his chest from the f***ing world tree.
Lets get real.
In strength yes Superman had a slight edge. In piercing durability also (I would not say he has one in blunt force though).
Speed and the fact that in character Thor fighrs with honor and as such doesnt tend to go for the abilities of Mjilnor off the bat are what gives the fight to superman.
If IMHO Thor was bloodlusted and went straight to Miljnors nore isoteric abilities Supes speed would be meaningless.
