IS Speed The ONLY Reason Superman Beats thor?

short answer--pretty much. at least for me. supes is def stronger and more durable, but thor has more to call upon. question is, would he? not likely imo. fighting in character, he'd brawl and lose more often than not. if he used his powers fully, i think he'd win more often than not. still close, but i think it depends mostly on how you view thor and how willing you think he'd be to use the full range of his powers. there have been many threads like this though, where their speeds have been equalized.

BRB has fought at light speeds no ? I'm not buying the argument Thor would be in slow motion because his history says otherwise.

Originally posted by deathslash
wait a minute. Strength, and durability, I could agree with (though durability is more debatable), but better damage soak? When has his damage soak ever been as good as Thor's?

Says the man who just man a loaded pro Superman thread. Thor would murder Superman if blood lusted, so it's a moot point.

Superman doesn't usually speed-blitz the people he's fighting. Not saying he hasn't ever, but it's not something he normally does. He overpowers or outthinks enemies. That's what he relies on.

Were he to fight Thor, speed isn't going to be an issue. He can move faster than Thor, yes, but he can also move faster than all the other people he's fought without speed-blitzing them. It's not a skill he generally brings into play in a fight.

And Superman probably doesn't come out on top here anyway. He's allergic to magic hammers. They make him break out in...giant magic hammer bruises.

Originally posted by blair85
Superman doesn't usually speed-blitz the people he's fighting. Not saying he hasn't ever, but it's not something he normally does. He overpowers or outthinks enemies. That's what he relies on.

Were he to fight Thor, speed isn't going to be an issue. He can move faster than Thor, yes, but he can also move faster than all the other people he's fought without speed-blitzing them. It's not a skill he generally brings into play in a fight.

And Superman probably doesn't come out on top here anyway. He's allergic to magic hammers. They make him break out in...giant magic hammer bruises.

There is absolutely no reason outside of his real world popularity why Superman shouldn't lose to Thor. Thor's magical EP is as strong as it gets on comics and Superman supposedly has no defense to it. A speed advantage would nearly be enough to overcome this, nor is Thor ever lost to a peer because of speed.

If it is true as well Thor strength disadvantage gap could close them further he lose himself in a brawl. This is like my question does Superman flying add to his strength to make him appear stronger?

Originally posted by golem370
If it is true as well Thor strength disadvantage gap could close them further he lose himself in a brawl. This is like my question does Superman flying add to his strength to make him appear stronger?

There is no discernable strength gap. Thor has off the meter strength feats as well but Marvel doesn't wank him. Different character depictions from different comic book universes. Superman is faster and has hard durability, those are his edges. Thor's is massive magical EP and melee weapon capable of both blocking and absorbing Superman's eye beams.

Originally posted by beatboks
What ever the hell you're smoking you need to give up, it's seriously damaging your thought process.

No way in hell does Superman have greater damage soak than Thor. Thor took Silver Surfers best blasts whilst he had a hole in his chest from the f***ing world tree.

Is that supposed to be impressive?

Superman got his heart split in half and just got better.

He had flat out run through the blasts of Green Lanterns who shit on Surfer in energy blasts department.

Lets get real.

In strength yes Superman had a slight edge. In piercing durability also (I would not say he has one in blunt force though).

Speed and the fact that in character Thor fighrs with honor and as such doesnt tend to go for the abilities of Mjilnor off the bat are what gives the fight to superman.

If IMHO Thor was bloodlusted and went straight to Miljnors nore isoteric abilities Supes speed would be meaningless.

I'm not sure what comic you've read but to think Superman has only a slight edge in strength or has no edge in Blunt force. Thor himself has stated that he is not invulnerable, just really durable.

Superman doesn't needs speed to beat Thor. But if he actually used it, it would be over before Thor can even process a thought.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Its a toss up. They are more or less equals and even with speed factored in it could go either way on any given day. Anyone who says otherwise is a biased fanboy.

...thread

People still think they are equals? After all this time?

LMAO.

Originally posted by beatboks
What ever the hell you're smoking you need to give up, it's seriously damaging your thought process.

No way in hell does Superman have greater damage soak than Thor. Thor took Silver Surfers best blasts whilst he had a hole in his chest from the f***ing world tree.

Lets get real.

In strength yes Superman had a slight edge. In piercing durability also (I would not say he has one in blunt force though).

Speed and the fact that in character Thor fighrs with honor and as such doesnt tend to go for the abilities of Mjilnor off the bat are what gives the fight to superman.

If IMHO Thor was bloodlusted and went straight to Miljnors nore isoteric abilities Supes speed would be meaningless.

Firstly, Thor's wound was magical in nature. There wasn't a 'hole' in him. It was not physically hindering him as though his organs were ruptured or if there was a pound of flesh missing, because there wasn't. It was a mystical injury that just provided him with constant pain. Nothing more.

Yes, Superman has the superior damage soak without a doubt.

Not only is his skin tougher than Thor's, he has an actual combat ready healing factor. Thor does not, though he does heal more thoroughly than any mortal, its not particularly fast acting to be helpful in a fight.

Again, Superman took magical large spear sized arrows to the chest and he was still able to walk off. That hit vitals.

Durability and Healing Factor are the two exact things that make up damage soak. And Superman is superior in both.

There is no such thing as 'blunt' vs 'piercing' anyway. It's just pressure.

Oh and by the way, and the word you are looking for is *esoteric*.

I hear the *whirring* of a SATA drive connecting from here

Scan dump imminent

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Originally posted by psycho gundam
I hear the *whirring* of a SATA drive connecting from here

Scan dump imminent

cant wait, i love scan dumps!

Originally posted by beatboks
What ever the hell you're smoking you need to give up, it's seriously damaging your thought process.

No way in hell does Superman have greater damage soak than Thor. Thor took Silver Surfers best blasts whilst he had a hole in his chest from the f***ing world tree.

Lets get real.

In strength yes Superman had a slight edge. In piercing durability also (I would not say he has one in blunt force though).

Speed and the fact that in character Thor fighrs with honor and as such doesnt tend to go for the abilities of Mjilnor off the bat are what gives the fight to superman.

If IMHO Thor was bloodlusted and went straight to Miljnors nore isoteric abilities Supes speed would be meaningless.

Most of this is also right.
Superman's ability to tank damage is what puts him above other characters at DC who may equal/surpass him in other areas.
Superman's the top guy at DC, everyone else lines up behind him.
At Marvel it isnt as clear cut, as many of their most powerful characters stand shoulder.
Its just the way the realities are geared.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Firstly, Thor's wound was magical in nature. There wasn't a 'hole' in him. It was not physically hindering him as though his organs were ruptured or if there was a pound of flesh missing, because there wasn't. It was a mystical injury that just provided him with constant pain. Nothing more.

Yes, Superman has the superior damage soak without a doubt.

Not only is his skin tougher than Thor's, he has an actual combat ready healing factor. Thor does not, though he does heal more thoroughly than any mortal, its not particularly fast acting to be helpful in a fight.

Again, Superman took magical large spear sized arrows to the chest and he was still able to walk off. That hit vitals.

Durability and Healing Factor are the two exact things that make up damage soak. And Superman is superior in both.

There is no such thing as 'blunt' vs 'piercing' anyway. It's just pressure.

Oh and by the way, and the word you are looking for is *esoteric*.

😂

Thor regularly gets the shit kicked out of him by Hulk, who isnt on Superman's level in the strength department.

Yes

Superman's most powerful power is his strength where as Thor most powerful power really comes in the form of his hammer if it weren't for his hammer he wouldn't have ever made it into Exitar's helmet or blocked Juggernaut's magic.

Is this 1999? Hasn't anyone learned anything about comics? Super speed is a seriously problematic power that rarely gets used reliably by bricks with other powers.
Basically, Superman's speed is unlikely to be a factor in a fight with Thor. And when it is, the writer in question is unlikely to have it be a major factor--maybe there's be just a panel displaying a cool-looking speed blitz that can't be responded to. After that, Superman and Thor will go back to trading big hits at normal speed.
Pick Thor or Superman, but don't imagine that speed matters much in deciding the outcome.