Originally posted by Sin I AM
Its splitting hairs. What Superman has is speed/durability/whatever...Thor makes up energy projection/esoteric abilities/whatever. It's an exercise is semantics in a loaded thread. They are roughly equals ALL things considered.
I would agree with this if Thor were one to intelligently use his powers. But, don't forget Superman has many underrated abilities as well.
Originally posted by Cogito
I would agree with this if Thor were one to intelligently use his powers. But, don't forget Superman has many underrated abilities as well.
You mean the powers that he stupidly forgets/ignores? If cold breath is so uber, then why does he almost never use it? How about the various things he can do with vibrations? Either they aren't that effect or he's too dumb to use them so why argue along those lines?
Originally posted by riv6672No, we have to use instances that were shown before. We can't make up stuff. Superman has used his speed and saw things in super slow motion a lot of times. His perception is always on as proven per scans.
Same apies to Thor.
His hammer has a bajillion different offensive/defensive/BFR capabilities. Those capabilities are ALWAYS THERE. Writers ignore these capabilities for the sake of the plot.If we (not you and i specifically, a general we) are going to ignore how Superman actually fights and debate him the way we'd like because of what he can potentially do, then we need to treat Thor the same.
In which case, he'd win a majority over Superman in forum fights.
The problem is Thor's versatility is destroyed when speed is an issue. Thor wouldn't get the chance to use his estoric abilities against someone who sees him almost frozen. With speed equalized then Thor owns Superman due to his versatility becoming alive and his skill.
There is no logical reason Superman chooses not to perceive things in slow motion when a threat needs to be stopped. It's writer's plot. There is a logical reason why Thor doesn't use estoric abilities a lot. He's a warrior and relishes a good brawl.
Originally posted by Blue Area VetWhat's the difference between fighting a character many times faster vs. Fighting a character who can slow down time to a near halt (while operating at normal speed)?
Some people are determined it's all about speed, speed being the deciding factor. it is A factor, not a deciding factor.
If a character had the ability to slow down time to a near halt then no one would say that it isn't the deciding factor between physical peers.. It's a HUGE ISSUE.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
You mean the powers that he stupidly forgets/ignores? If cold breath is so uber, then why does he almost never use it? How about the various things he can do with vibrations? Either they aren't that effect or he's too dumb to use them so why argue along those lines?
I could say the same thing about Thor 😬
Superman's often underrated/sometimes overrated abilities include Cold Breath, Heat Vision (capable of sealing tears in space/time, sometimes cutting through people like butter), pressure points, supergenius intellect (built the Miracle Machine from memory after just looking at it briefly, equal intelligence to Jor-El), Torquasm Vo, etc.
Originally posted by h1a8
What's the difference between fighting a character many times faster vs. Fighting a character who can slow down time to a near halt (while operating at normal speed)?If a character had the ability to slow down time to a near halt then no one would say that it isn't an issue. It's a HUGE ISSUE.
You are the only poster that doesn't seem to understand that Superman is not always in speed mode. If he was always seeing things in slow motion, he'd never get tagged unless by another speedster and so called suckered punches would not occur. Even when he stops to chastise opponents, he wouldn't come close to being vulnerable to unexpected attacks. No one can take your stance seriously.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
You are the only poster that doesn't seem to understand that Superman is not always in speed mode. If he was always seeing things in slow motion, he'd never get tagged unless by another speedster and so called suckered punches would not occur. Even when he stops to chastise opponents, he wouldn't come close to being vulnerable to unexpected attacks. No one can take your stance seriously.
Always we have FULL CAPACITY RULE. That means Superman WILL use his speed and perception as shown before. Superman will fight to the best of his ability as shown before (in comics).