Valkorion vs Luke Skywalker

Started by Nephthys4 pages
Originally posted by SunRazer
Luke's full potential is supposed to be analogous to Anakin's, which is what, Father tier?

No. 😬

Anakin was about twice Sidious' potential, who was under 20,000.

Luke's midichlorian count is nowhere near 100 ****ing trillion, dipstick.

Luke has realized more of that potential than UnuThul would have, and he'd be more skilled, etc.

It is implied that UnuThul is actually more powerful than him.

UnuThul with 1% of that potential would still be thousands of times stronger than Luke.

It is Father tier, lol. FP Anakin could wreck the Son & Daughter at once, and Luke's comparable to that. Also, what Ellimist said.

Don't care for the stats, lol.

No he isn't, in any way, shape or form. Anakin only did that because he's the Chosen One and he was using Mortis. He's not billions of times stronger than any other force user.

You're the one who brought up the stats that trillions of trash would be mathematically superior to hundreds of Jedi Masters. 😬

Yeah, either Mortakin is indicative of something beyond his natural potential, or he's much more than 2X Sidious. Pick one.

That being said, I have a difficult time seeing Anakin's descendants inheriting his full mortakin potential if they can't even take Abeloth in states of Oneness.

A shittier version of Abeloth, too. 👆

Ah yes, FOTJ Abeloth. I derped for a moment and didn't even consider that.

Regardless, Luke is nowhere near that level. He's not just "that powerful" that he can totally shrug off the actual collective (very low estimate of) 100 trillion midichlorian pool that UnuThul is supposedly using.

So obviously UnuThul's power drawn from the Kiliks isn't near the BIG NYMBERSSS! that they hype him with.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No he isn't, in any way, shape or form. Anakin only did that because he's the Chosen One and he was using Mortis. He's not billions of times stronger than any other force user.

You're the one who brought up the stats that trillions of trash would be mathematically superior to hundreds of Jedi Masters. 😬

Regardless of what we're debating, this is exactly what the text says:

"The pain of losing an arm might have forced a common Jedi to stop fighting, but Raynar was no common Jedi. He had the Force potential of the Colony to draw on, and he did that now, swinging his remaining hand up to hurl Luke down the corridor as he had done before."

-- Dark Nest: The Swarm War

Which is still way better than anything Vivicar had going for him.

Do you want to know what happens next?

But this time, Luke was ready. He placed his own hand in front of Raynar's and rooted himself in the heart of the Force, and when he did that, he became the very essence of the immovable object. Nothing could dislodge him-not one of Lando's asteroid tuggers, not the Megador's sixteen ion engines, not the black hole at the center of the galaxy itself.

Luke stood that way, waiting, dimly aware that his surviving bugcrunchers were moving into defensive positions, one at his back and the other just inside the burst hatch. Raynar continued to struggle, trying to hurl Luke down the corridor, trying to move him a single centimeter.

Luke did not budge, and finally Raynar stopped struggling and met his eyes with a stunned and anguished gaze.

-- Dark Nest: The Swarm War

That's pretty much the point I was making. And when I brought up the trillions of trash, that's just logic, lol. I didn't bother with the calculations.

Yes, thank you I've read the book. It doesn't change the fact that its obvious bullshit. You can replace it with "REALLY STRONK" and it'd have the same meaning.

You can replace any "really powerful" moment with that and it'd work.

Just scale from Nathema and Ziost.

Originally posted by SunRazer
It is Father tier, lol. FP Anakin could wreck the Son & Daughter at once, and Luke's comparable to that.

Here:

He would not choose. Drawing upon the Force that was all around them in that place, the warrior subdued both the Son and the Daughter and made them release his friends.

Taken from Force and Destiny: Core RuleBook

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Luke has realized more of that potential than UnuThul would have, and he'd be more skilled, etc.

It is implied that UnuThul is actually more powerful than him.

Why was Ellimist banned?

Because he was constantly trolling.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Here:

He would not choose. Drawing upon the Force that was all around them in that place, the warrior subdued both the Son and the Daughter and made them release his friends.

Taken from [B]Force and Destiny: Core RuleBook [/B]


Because the Son and the Daughter don't use the Force!...Oh, wait.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Regardless of what we're debating, this is exactly what the text says:

Which is still way better than anything Vivicar had going for him.

Do you want to know what happens next?

That's pretty much the point I was making. And when I brought up the trillions of trash, that's just logic, lol. I didn't bother with the calculations.


TBH, Luke used Oneness to defeat UnuThul. That isn't related to his own Force strength.