Originally posted by Psychotron
Why do people keep saying Revan soled Korriban and the Star Forge? He had help from his companions in both cases. Revan had Jolee and Juhani, two experienced Jedi on his side until the Bastila battle, while the Exile legit soled Malachor.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Why do people keep saying Revan soled Korriban and the Star Forge? He had help from his companions in both cases. Revan had Jolee and Juhani, two experienced Jedi on his side until the Bastila battle, while the Exile legit soled Malachor.
On the Star Forge, Revan had aid from Canderous Ordo and one other companion. Even if we assume the other companion was Jolee, the most powerful companion, Revan's still the driving and basically sole force in cutting through the armies. Darth Malak sent the Dark Jedi specifically after Revan, not the group in general. He is there target. And then there's the fact Revan personally took on the Infinite Army following Bastila Shan, which Darth Malak seemed to believe was even greater than dozens to hundreds of enhanced Dark Jedi, anyway.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I recall AP pointing out that Juhani and Carth assisted Revan on Korriban. And the aid of a companion who's probably not even more powerful than your rank-and-file Dark Jedi, and then someone who's going to be more of a hinderment than an aid (i.e. Carth), isn't going to help much when confronting "hundreds" of Dark Jedi on an immensely potent dark side nexus (especially after just fighting the two most powerful Sith on the planet and two terentatek).On the Star Forge, Revan had aid from Canderous Ordo and one other companion. Even if we assume the other companion was Jolee, the most powerful companion, Revan's still the driving and basically sole force in cutting through the armies. Darth Malak sent the Dark Jedi specifically after Revan, not the group in general. He is there target. And then there's the fact Revan personally took on the Infinite Army following Bastila Shan, which Darth Malak seemed to believe was even greater than dozens to hundreds of enhanced Dark Jedi, anyway.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Probably because that bullshit is just as made up as the opinion that Revan solo'd it, which you could probably guess givin who's approving you.
No matter how much you want to twist it, Revan had help, the Exile didn't. Jolee and Juhani wouldn't let Revan go in the Rakatan temple alone, I really doubt they'd sit by while Revan was in the Star Forge. The 2 companion limit is just a gameplay mechanic, anyway. There's no reason for Revan to take 2 companions and leave the rest to play pazaak in the ship, while the most important battle of the war was happening.
Originally posted by Psychotron
No matter how much you want to twist it, Revan had help, the Exile didn't. Jolee and Juhani wouldn't let Revan go in the Rakatan temple alone, I really doubt they'd sit by while Revan was in the Star Forge. The 2 companion limit is just a gameplay mechanic, anyway. There's no reason for Revan to take 2 companions and leave the rest to play pazaak in the ship, while the most important battle of the war was happening.
This. 👆
Although, if he really did bring two, I would bet on it being Canderous and HK.
Originally posted by Psychotron
No matter how much you want to twist it, Revan had help, the Exile didn't.
Jolee and Juhani wouldn't let Revan go in the Rakatan temple alone, I really doubt they'd sit by while Revan was in the Star Forge.The 2 companion limit is just a gameplay mechanic, anyway. There's no reason for Revan to take 2 companions and leave the rest to play pazaak in the ship, while the most important battle of the war was happening.
Not to mention, again, the Exile feeds off death. Killing a ton of randoms, one at a time or in small groups, is not nearly as impressive as it sounds.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Just like no matter how much you want to twist it, these aren't even comparable situations. Revan facing an army isn't comparable to the Exile fighting the remnants of one.They all separated at one time or another, which is why Carth tells you they all made it back to the ship. Revan faced that army of droids, and Bastila, alone. That was the entire point of staling him.
Not to mention, again, the Exile feeds off death. Killing a ton of randoms, one at a time or in small groups, is not nearly as impressive as it sounds.
There really isn't much of a difference between the Star Forge and Malachor. In fact, I'm pretty sure that there were a lot more dark Jedi in the academy than there were on the Forge. Revan mostly faced droids and soldiers + some dark Jedi, while the Exile fought assassins, Marauders and Sith Lords with the occassional Sith Elite squad. To me, that is more impressive than cutting through soldiers with help. And lets not forget that the Exile, Mandalore and Visas did run through an army on the Ravager.
Overall the Exile defeated more powerful opponents. I'd put Nihilus, Traya and Sion over Malak, Bastila and Bandon easily.
Nihilus was utterly destroying her. She only survived due to her Force wound and Visas Marr weakening Darth Nihilus by severing their bond. It's not a feat.
And besting Darth Sion, a powerful Sith with absolutely no combat abilities to boot, is not more impressive than besting Bastila Shan, the most prodigious Jedi of the Order with actual feats to show.
And putting Malak, who has the power of the Star Forge and numerous Jedi to draw upon, on his ass three to nine times is definitely more impressive than besting Kreia, who is just a decent combatant (and now without an arm) with her trademark ability not applicable against the Exile (i.e. Force drain). A simple comparison in willpower between Kreia and Malak will make clear Malak is vastly more powerful. And that shouldn't be a surprise, since Avellone wrote Kotor II with the intention of KotOR Revan being capable of besting both Kreia and the Exile at the same time. But sure, let's ignore that.
Revan took on "hundreds" on Korriban following killing the two headmasters and two terentatek with only the aid of Juhani and Onasi. This vastly outstrips the Malachor feat. And then assuming that him, Ordo, and another companion fought even more Sith on the Star Forge (every Sith on the station), and then Revan soloing Shan (as mentioned prior), the Infinite Army, and then Malak (also mentioned prior), he's ridiculously better than the Exile in everything.
And then if we fast forward only a couple years, Revan is capable of one-shotting Surik. Do the math.
Originally posted by Psychotron
[B]There really isn't much of a difference between the Star Forge and Malachor.
In fact, I'm pretty sure that there were a lot more dark Jedi in the academy than there were on the Forge. Revan mostly faced droids and soldiers + some dark Jedi, while the Exile fought assassins, Marauders and Sith Lords with the occassional Sith Elite squad.
To me, that is more impressive than cutting through soldiers with help. And lets not forget that the Exile, Mandalore and Visas did run through an army on the Ravager.
Overall the Exile defeated more powerful opponents. I'd put Nihilus, Traya and Sion over Malak, Bastila and Bandon easily.