Originally posted by SunRazer
I didn't say he broke his bones, I said he came close to it.
You brought a meaningless point.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Canonical and legitimate facts, yes.
Originally posted by SunRazer
She was vomiting blood because she cartwheeled into a rock. As I mentioned above, Obi-Wan's withstood immensely greater hits without being nearly as hurt. He's far, far more durable, and Anakin nearly broke his bones.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Hard to say that when you're trying to deny somebody of their source so that you can win the debate.
Legend, that's an embarrassing analogy. Impacts are a very exact science; there may be some variation in who survives what, but physical injuries are pretty predictable. If you had footage of that 17 year old you'd be able to tell that she didn't get hit in a lethal manner or whatever. The luck was that she didn't get impacted as much, not that her body's material properties magically changed. In Kenobi's case, his impacts are documented and easy to see; there's no case for saying it was "chance".
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Legend, that's an embarrassing analogy. Impacts are a very exact science; there may be some variation in who survives what, but physical injuries are pretty predictable. If you had footage of that 17 year old you'd be able to tell that she didn't get hit in a lethal manner or whatever. The luck was that she didn't get impacted as much, not that her body's material properties magically changed. In Kenobi's case, his impacts are documented and easy to see; there's no case for saying it was "chance".
There are many other examples. Sole survivors did not come out unscathed. Some were on the brink of death at the time of rescue.
We even have this example: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/man-drives-off-cliff-california_us_5702ab9de4b0a06d58064a0a [He survived]
Keep finding excuses. They are amusing.
Your ignorance of physics and yet insistence on lecturing people on the subject is just an insult on human intelligence. You do realize that impact physics is an actual field of academic research (though these basic questions are pretty much solved), and the lives of millions, yours included, are dependent on these events being predictable, right? We can run computer simulations on collisions - heck, if we know exactly the input conditions, we can predict the outcome exactly
on a macro level from Newton.
Yes, some freak survivals occur, but that's because the conditions were different, not because the physics have random variations in them. In this case, we know the conditions of Kenobi's injuries because we can see them on the screen. Show me a case where a 17 year old survives a huge crash, we see the footage and we literally can't explain with our physics how she survived, and you might actually become famous.
Now the extent of people's ability to survive things is a little
tougher to predict, but we're talking about Obi Wan's physical durability, not whether he blacks out.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Your ignorance of physics and yet insistence on lecturing people on the subject is just an insult on human intelligence.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
You do realize that impact physics is an actual field of academic research (though these basic questions are pretty much solved), and the lives of millions, yours included, are dependent on these events being predictable, right? We can run computer simulations on collisions - heck, if we know exactly the input conditions, we can predict the outcome exactly
on a macro level from Newton.
Now provide me scientific explanation of reasons for survival of that 17 year old girl. I am waiting.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Yes, some freak survivals occur, but that's because the conditions were different, not because the physics have random variations in them. In this case, we know the conditions of Kenobi's injuries because we can see them on the screen. Show me a case where a 17 year old survives a huge crash, we see the footage and we literally can't explain with our physics how she survived, and you might actually become famous.
http://www.cbs46.com/story/32370287/man-survives-fiery-head-on-collision-thanks-to-stranger
Like I said, your excuses are amusing.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
It's a yes or no: do you think Newtonian mechanics is deterministic?
Food for thought: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-33268614
You cannot prove that every individual would make it out alive from the experiences of those survivors. Don't post bullshit.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I am waiting for a real argument.
Nice edit, lol. You were about to get sig'd.
The question of determinism isn't there to "bait" you; it's a legitimate request for you to clarify your position. What are you trying to argue, exactly? Do you seriously think Newtonian mechanics incorporates luck?
For smart people:
On Christmas Eve 1971, lightning struck Lansa Flight 508 over Peru, causing it to explode. Juliane Koepcke was the only survivor of the 92 people on board after falling two miles strapped in to her seat. Sat in the next seat, her mother's final words were "that is the end, it's all over".
Completely alone in the rainforest, the 17-year-old was covered in deep gashes, and had a broken collarbone and ruptured knee ligaments. However, she had been taught survival skills by her father whilst being raised at a remote jungle research station.
After walking for 10 days, fighting mosquitoes and hunger, she began to float down a large river where she was saved by a passing boat.
Once on board she realised a wound on her arm had become infested with maggots. Remembering her father's advice she poured petrol on it and picked more than 30 maggots out.
In 2000, the documentary maker Werner Herzog released a film about her story, entitled Wings of Hope. Herzog was inspired to make the film after a last-minute change caused him to miss Koepcke's doomed flight.
Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-33268614
Tell me how many can endure all of that and live to tell the tale?
Again, what's your point? That it was a miracle? That physics suspended itself for her benefit? It's a legitimate request for people to ask you to clarify your position when it makes no f*cking sense.
Also it's funny that you call yourself smart, and have shown multiple times that you think you know physics because you read some newspaper articles on the Internet.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Again, what's your point? That it was a miracle? That physics suspended itself for her benefit? It's a legitimate request for people to ask you to clarify your position when it makes no f*cking sense.Also it's funny that you call yourself smart, and have shown multiple times that you think you know physics because you read some newspaper articles on the Internet.
Yes, I believe in luck. Don't bring science into stuff that even it cannot properly explain.
That woman endured significant injuries for 10 days. She had survival skills and they helped. But her survival is nothing short of a miracle.