Darth Caedus vs Darth Tyranus

Started by Deronn_solo3 pages

Luke wasn't even that bloodlusted when he fought Lumiya the last time

Gotta quote to back this up?

(the earlier ones were circumstantial, Lumiya had hostages, etc.)

Still not an excuse for Lumiya to contend as good as she did. I mean, she put a long lasting scar on his chest, lmao.

In either case, this wasn't a "fight" that Lumiya put up beyond lasting for a while because of the reach advantage of her whip; she never got a hit in on Luke, unlike Caedus who put him in a bacta tank.

I thought she did land hits? How was his knee injured against Caedus then?

Fair enough, but the environment played a huge pat in him hurting Luke. Before Caedus latched on too a Yuuzhan Vong device hanging in the chamber, to escape from Luke, the former had beaten his guard down, and was going to finish his just seconds into the battle. In other words, without the environment being in Jacen's favor, he would have lost in a very short order.

And actually, think about the mechanics of fighting someone with a light-whip while you have a lightsaber. How, exactly, are you supposed to win that?

As you would say, a "far inferior" Luke did just after RotJ. You would expect Luke with 40 years of growth to be capable of doing it much more easier. But all evidence point to that not being the case.

I think I tallied their respective hits; Luke got in like five lightsaber wounds and five physical blows, while Caedus managed to land four physical wounds, around half targeted at Luke's injuries, and then a few which were due to environmental manipulation and thus discounted (Caedus knew where the Vong traps were and I think had even prepped them). So Luke was clearly winning pretty solidly, but it's not like Caedus wasn't putting up a fight.

Originally posted by Trocity
Dooku stomps cuz everyone thinks Caedus sucks now. 🙂

Well he does suck. And just to put the final nail in the coffin:

"He was no warrior, he was certain of that. Not like Jaina was, or Anakin had been. He was no hero like Uncle Luke or his father, no great statesman like his mother or strategist like Admiral Ackbar or scientist like Danni Quee... He remembered that he didn't have to know what he was. All he had to do was decide. "I... I guess..." he said slowly, frowning down at the weapon in his hand. "I guess... I'm a student."

- Excerpt taken from Traitor

When Ant's respect thread comes out, don't get me wrong, you will see a lot of feats . More feats than any single respect thread will ever had contained, and from a nice wealth of sources. What you will also find, however, is that the majority of Jacen's feats have very little to do with combat.

"Is this what Jacen has been trying to tell us all along-that violence is never the answer, even if it seems the shortest and most direct path?"

- Excerpt taken from The Unifying Force

Again, until championing the name Caedus, this was Jacen's philosophy. Yet even as a sith, we hardly see much destructive potential. He's not killing other Force users with lightning, much like Dooku did to Ventress, and he's not seen 'ragdolling', well... pretty much anyone worth their salt, like Dooku does to Kenobi. Jacen was on the loosing end of a duel to Kyle Katarn accompanied by three inexperienced neophytes. While Dooku was holding off Anakin and Obi-wan, albeit on the loosing side. So what is he excelling at that Dooku isn't?

But Jacen was inferring as much as translating, and there was so much he did not know about the Colony that it was equally possible they were talking about eating him. He shut the words out and tried to hear through the Force, as the Theran Listeners had taught him, and was relieved to sense that they were arguing over whether they should eat the dead.

- Excerpt Taken from The Unseen Queen

He was an expert at the more esoteric muses of the Force. These were subtle powers that allowed him to channel his inner energies to empathise with creatures, other people and even large Force entities. These are the talents Jacen spent his years refining. Not Saber combat, Force Lightning or Dark powers of destruction. His preferred lightsaber form is unknown, but I'm almost certain it would be the diplomats form, Niman, and with it's purest philosophy in mind. While on the other hand, Dooku has spent 80 decades refining a form that specialises in lightsaber duelling. I hope Ant can vouch for me on this one, but we'll all see the truth when Caedus' respect thread is ready for viewing. The fact is, Caedus is not the near Sidious powerhouse we once thought he'd be, not even close.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Desann wasn't amped when he fought Luke iirc.

He is. When Luke and Kyle meet up before Luke runs into Desann, Luke warns Kyle not to fight him because he's been enhanced by the Valley.

mmm

I need to replay the game somtime.

So in the end Desann was double amped?