Good rebuttal! Now for my riposte!
Originally posted by quanchi112
So what ? We see how slowly Grievous reacted in movement and we know Kenobi is a superior swordsman so that's why he quickly retreated from the light saber duel after he lost two hands.
You're also leaving out Kenobi's TK. As the confident Grievous was getting the upper hand in the sword duel, Kenobi force pushed him. It was only then that he fled
https://youtu.be/tXTFdDrd7pA?t=113I'm not certain what you mean by Grievous slowly reacting in movement. Feel free to clarify, but the way he spun those sabers at the beginning was quiet fast. It looked as if Grievous had lightsaber ceiling fans in his possession. How exactly does Khan counter such movement and do you have anything in the "Into the Darkness" film that would indicate he can?
Ok let's look at precognition and how Kenobi fares in close proximity.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8tMZdrUx8eM
Despite precognition he can't seem to get his saber back or avoid that head butt. He didn't even beat Jango. Jango doesn't have super speed or precognition but he did better than Grievous.
This is a good argument to use against who try to make SW characters out to be far more powerful than they were ever intended to be. Still, it will do you no good here since I'm not suggesting Kenobi or any of these characters is omniscient or omnipotent. That's all your video goes to disprove.
The precognition these Jedi have certainly isn't perfect. How else would a non-force wielder like Grievous ever kill so many Jedi otherwise? How else would Jango Fett have been able to headbutt Kenobi? That being said, look at the other feats Kenobi performed in the video you've provided. Kenobi avoids getting blown up by a nigh-point blank rocket, avoids getting killed by blaster fire from Jango Fett's ship, jump kicks a moving Jango Fett out of the sky.
You bring up the headbutt for a reason. That's all Jango cleanly lands. Everything else gets blocked or avoided. Thus, if we were to give a Jedi's precognition a numerical rating as far as reliability is concerned, I would concede that that number isn't 10/10, but you'd have to also agree that it isn't 0/10 either. Using your video as a guide, 9/10 seems appropriate.
To say he did better than Grievous is demonstrably false. Jango got in one clean blow. Grievous got in 6. Moreover, Jango had a more reliable means of escape than Grievous did.
See you're a disingenuous Star Wars debater trying to compare apples to oranges.
Nah, I'm not really a Star Wars debater. Just a debater. 🙂
You're ignoring that Khan just crash landed on earth, sprinted through the city, and still came out on top against Spock. He resisted two nerve pinches and was about to crush his skull in their one on one confrontation. Kenobi struggled with a guy weighed down by body armor and looked sloppy as hell and despite having jedis powers was unable to hold an advantage over Jango Fett.
Khan did just crash land on earth, but if we take other scenes into account, such as his attack on the vengeance, his movement speed isn't notably different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuK_LBXE9_o . Thus, it stands to reason that the film makers and/or screenplayer writers did not intend to suggest that he was significantly impaired during his bout with Spock. If anything, his accelerated healing probably brought him back to at least near-100%.
That and there's still his questionable combat skills. Why throw telegraphed haymakers like the one I pointed out? In that particular part of the fight, there were far more efficient options Khan could have taken. A simple sleeper hold would have perhaps won him the battle then and there. Instead, he winds up his fist in an obvious fashion, giving Spock more than enough time to recover, dodge and eventually land a vulcan nerve pinch. 23rd century standards of engagement? Perhaps, but that doesn't make it tenable against combatants in other mediums, much less against someone as fast as General Grievous. A telegraphed haymaker will be the end of his life in this scenario.
I have exposed your double standards and noted how slow Grievous was in closing the distance to a Kenobi who simply was holding on for dear life and unable to move himself.
And I have agreed that should Khan be able to make the fight progress this far, he will have the same opportunity Kenobi had. However, as it stands, Khan will be cut down during the opening stage of the battle as he has no counter to Grievous' devastating speed.