Rebuttals
1. Precognition
You haven't proven Kenobi needed his precognition to deal with Grievous' twirling ability. You assumed without any proof just assumption. Baseless claim. What makes sense is Kenobi's superior light saber skills made up for this. What kind of asinine point he can use the force to guide his movement ? It's baseless hyperbole. I can show you characters hitting, hurting, and him ****ijg up and your laughable response would be well it isn't perfect. So then we come back to square one and your claim is baseless, generic, and not specific enough to be worth a damn thing.
We see Trek's teleportation take place. You tried making up a claim I didn't say. We can visibly see when someone teleports. The same cannot be said for precognition thus I can prove it while you can't. You already said its imperfect thus invalidating your own claim.
My standard is we can visibly see when it takes place but we can't tell every time precognition is being used. It's this simple he either has the skill or he doesn't. He has the skill to kill Grievous but he didn't have the skill to kill Jango. Simple.
2.Combat speed
Here is where you pr argument completely false apart as you're comparing sword battles to hand to hand fights. Grievous also gets tagged by Kenobi in a hand to hand fight despite Kenobi's attacks being slower than a light saber. The reason is obvious he's more skilled with a light saber than he is in a hand to hand fight. So when we are comparing the same types of strikes slower punches and kicks in close proximity all of the characters are guilty of being struck. And I am sick to shit of you Star Wars debaters trying to create this false light in which they are on another level of reaction speed. It's bullshit. You see when we time out the hand to hand fights we see they all react in the same level of reaction speed. Only when you try to compare light saber dueling which doesn't have anything to do with Khan can you try to make this false distinction. Apples to oranges.
Again, you're creating only a black and white type response. You're eliminating options based off your close mind. Stop. You are ignoring the time it takes. Key word is time. The time it takes Khan to run over a pick up a gun doesn't take as long as Grievous needs to twirl his hands and close the distance based off the evidence. Khan runs very quickly and he can pick up a gun and fire it with superhuman accuracy. We also have seen how well Grievous defends himself against Kenobi's blaster. He had a weapon but what occurred ?
False. Khan seeks to give self the advantage. He isn't taking on an armored foe in Spock so why would he seek to engage him in hand to hand with weapons lying around and one directly in his possession. We see how Khan fared against Spock while armed. He casually shot the gun out of Spock's possession. That isn't relevant to this situation or this opponent. You didn't make a hand to hand only situation. 🙂
Khan beat Spock down. He was about to crush his head. Someone else showed up. You can argue all you want but as I said a paragraph up why this isn't relevant. 1. Spock isn't Grievous not does he fight with the hand to hand skill.
2. Khan won't engage a cyborg in han dri hand unless he's forced to because he wants the advantage. There are weapons around and why try to punch an armored cyborg.
What you don't take into consideration is these characters fight in character. I also have two examples of Grievous failing to show impressive closing speed against Kenobi. We see with the hand twirl and what led right up to his death. He didn't even twirl, had a weapon, and had Kenobi in a defensive position while weaponless and he failed to close the deal!!!
3. Kenobi DID STRUGGLE with Jango Fett
1. Point was Kenobi was hit by slower attacks in a hand to hand fight just as Grievous was. Just as Khan and Spck were as well. It's the same shit.
2. Yes, it is imperfect and he's been hit by really slow attacks such as the headbutt thus destroying your whole these guys are much faster point with a direct example eradicating your fanboyism.
3. That screen cap shows its near him not that it hit him. The fire is near him it doesn't touch him. Look at the pic. The exp,psi on sends him back. It's no different than anyone else jumping or being blown away but not being caught in the eye of the blast just near it.
4. Grievous DID LOSE to Kenobi
Completely incorrect. What you're forgetting are key details.
1) Khan wasn't armed against Spock on the aircraft carrier. Kenobi was armed against Jango. When Khan was armed he decimated an entire squad of Klingong and had Spock, Uhura, and Kirk in awe and at his complete mercy when armed. You don't get to compare Kenobi armed and compare him to Khan unarmed. When zkhan is armed Spock, Kirk, Uhura and an entire squad of Klingons are shit. When we see Kenobi he barely defeated Grievous and stalemated Jango and didn't achieve his objective despite being armed against both opponents.
2) prove he uses the force to shield himself from Grievous' attacks. That's just ridiculous and another baseless assumption without a shred of proof. Grievous wasn't strong enough nor did he have the force p. He lost because he was worse and didn't close in time. He had opportunities in the fight but wasn't good enough. That's it. The rest is excuse making.
3). Grievous' goal was Kenobi's death. He failed to yes even the punches he landed weren't significant enough to injure, maim, or kill Kenobi. A missed punch is a missed punch. Your perception of it is just an opinion. What you can't change is that they were missed attacks and the results. Khan was better than Spock hand to hand while Grievous wasn't better than Kenobi, ever.
5. Khan's injuries
It isn't the same thing. Tell me what sequence of Kylo wielding his saber in combat is noticebly different or slower. You're being an obvious hyoocrite. It's sickening. Khan in the end still prevailed over Spock in hand to hand ehich isn't the point of this thread nor does it force Khan to go hand to hand with a cyborg. Grievous failed both with his sabers and in a fisticuff fight against a fleshy and inferior hand to hand opponent.