Originally posted by Galan007
I'm sorry you don't like the on panel facts, zop. Feel free to send Mr. Ennis a letter about it. 👆
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
My phrasing probably is a bit off here. I was talking in terms of what would have happened storywise but the discussion ended up tapering into a vs thing. Though I do think if given the chance he probably would've been able to kill Thor then the twins.One thing I have to say here is that Eimin's ability to predict the future can be twisted (though this isn't that relevant). She probably saw a future where the Sentry completely followed her orders. But here is where me and you diverge.
The part where it says "Sentry has completed his masters charge - in part". As they wanted Thor killed but he only subdued him.
Plus if you also recall this point.
"But the new voice in Robert Reynolds fractured mind urged him to keep the thunder god alive.
For while the current conflict holds the fate of his Master's goals.
It is not the ultimate goal of the Sentry"
If Eimin was so clever do you think that she would give a Death Seed - which makes them want to aid the evolution of their species (that they see as superior) to a [b]human
. Who will now try and kill the people (mutants) she wants to protect? They clearly didn't think it all through. [/B]
There's no reason to assume that the new voice in Sentry's head was something that she could not predict, nor did it matter whether or not Sentry killed Thor because Eimin wasn't prevented by him. There's nothing that went amiss other than Kang's eventual ascension.
Sentry wanting to kill mutants is irrelevant because he hasn't killed a single one lol. Nothing he did impeded her or her plans in any way. At least to my recollection...
At any rate, this is, like I said, a pointless embellishment of Sentry's feats. He did not kill the Apoc twins.
As for this fight it's either a stalemate or the Sentry dies. Harald's enchantment has lasted for thousands of years and it's such that he is completely unaffected by Thor's mightier blows. The Sentry, while healing, was certainly harmed by them.
I think it's more likely that the Sentry would just go suicide than find a way around Harald's enchantment.
Originally posted by krisblaze
There's no reason to assume that the new voice in Sentry's head was something that she could not predict, nor did it matter whether or not Sentry killed Thor because Eimin wasn't prevented by him. There's nothing that went amiss other than Kang's eventual ascension.Sentry wanting to kill mutants is irrelevant because he hasn't killed a single one lol. Nothing he did impeded her or her plans in any way. At least to my recollection...
At any rate, this is, like I said, a pointless embellishment of Sentry's feats. He [b]did not
kill the Apoc twins.As for this fight it's either a stalemate or the Sentry dies. Harald's enchantment has lasted for thousands of years and it's such that he is completely unaffected by Thor's mightier blows. The Sentry, while healing, was certainly harmed by them.
I think it's more likely that the Sentry would just go suicide than find a way around Harald's enchantment. [/B]
You say that by where is there a reason to assume she would know a human would try and kill her own species. Plus as you probably know Sentry had a plan in place so he wouldn't kill any mutants until he needed to. Nothing he did impeded her plans because of the worm. But like I also said (though I think I'm wrong here but it's just random) that Sentry's plan went as far as this. Why would Sentry not having killed a mutant yet be relevant? Your point was that Sentry wouldn't attack Eimin because she had everything thought out properly. Why would she do that for someone that would kill mutants given the chance and if they knew he would eventually rebel against them?
I don't think Sentry would go along with the idea to guide them to the mutant home world. Also note "selected each for a different purpose" - was Sentry's purpose to rebel against them form the beginning. I think it was to kill Thor etc.
And I think here that perhaps he wanted Planet X to happen so that all the mutants were in one place so he could kill them all. But when they went back in time it so happened that all the Horsemen were distracted and thereby Uriel and Eimin couldn't follow through with what happened properly. And much like Thor refusing to serve Sentry when the mutants weren't transported to Earth because of what happened the next thing to do would have been killing them on Earth. That's at least what I make of his plan.
You dismiss what I say here but it's arguing against your idea that Eimin made no wrong choices because of her ability of precognition. Do you genuinely believe that Eimin would give someone who is a human the Death Seed if she actually knew what he would do. Why would she do that?
I know he didn't kill the Twins, again that was my point. I was theorizing what he would do if the worm hadn't attacked.
Also how would Sentry even die? He's never once been killed at all and nothing proves that Harald could be the first to replicate that. And even if we choose to believe Sentry's durability is poor. He heals near instantly anyway so it's a moot point. And like you said he can fly etc plus he's incredibly fast.
Originally posted by krisblaze
We do not assume limitless regeneration simply because a character can reconstitute themselves.That said Harald doesn't have any way of permanently killing the Sentry.
Hence why I said that it's not likely to end unless the Sentry suicides.
Did I say Sentry could endlessly regenerate? I didn't but has anyone shown a way to stop him besides from either him wanting himself to die (and he was actually still alive as a soul in the Sun) or molecular manipulation from people like Molecule Man. And even then he returns straight away. So far he's shown to come back from every injury even when it comes to molecular manip. Although that takes longer.
Sentry if he gets a limb knocked off will near instantly regenerate it. If his brains get smashed in then he'll instantly regenerate it. You can't exactly say it isn't possible because we know it is.
Just to ask what do you mean by a Sentry suicide?
Originally posted by zopzopStatements mean quite a bit when they come straight from Strange himself. 🙂
Statements mean nothing when contradicted by other evidence. If you really believe Harald Jaekelsson was a greater threat than the In-betweener, Shuma Gorath, or Dormammu you're beyond help.
And Strange is not more powerful than those you listed on average, without some SERIOUS prep, and/or PIS. So I'm not sure why you're even mentioning them..? 🙂
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Did I say Sentry could endlessly regenerate? I didn't but has anyone shown a way to stop him besides from either him wanting himself to die (and he was actually still alive as a soul in the Sun) or molecular manipulation from people like Molecule Man. And even then he returns straight away. So far he's shown to come back from every injury even when it comes to molecular manip. Although that takes longer.Sentry if he gets a limb knocked off will near instantly regenerate it. If his brains get smashed in then he'll instantly regenerate it. You can't exactly say it isn't possible because we know it is.
Just to ask what do you mean by a Sentry suicide?
I mean if Sentry willingly surrenders/gets bored.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Ah right I see. Would be quite amusing to see that in a comic. They're both fighting and then one of them just stops and says "**** this". Then just walks/flies off.
Harald doesn't have much going for him beyond the enchantment though.
I just don't see the Sentry doing something "clever". I think it's more likely that he'll try to power through the enchantment and either burn himself out or win.
Originally posted by Galan007
Statements mean quite a bit when they come straight from Strange himself. 🙂
And Strange is not more powerful than those you listed on average, without some SERIOUS prep, and/or PIS. So I'm not sure why you're even mentioning them..? 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
👆Which is why Strange outright stated that it would be suicide for him to even *try* and confront them:
Their rune magics >>>>>>> Strange's magics(and Thor's, for that matter.)
That's some Abby-esque shit you are offering, Galan. Different writer, different story and words only. You can't draw any hard conclusions given this weak intel.
Originally posted by zopzopUnless those scans prove THIS particular scene false, then they are entirely irrelevant red herrings. Strange explicitly gauged the rune magics he was up against with Harald(and co.), and knew that it would be suicide for him to try and face them w/o prep. Simple.
Want me post scans of Strange's statements that were later proven to be hyperbole?
A PREPPED Strange vs. Harald(and co.) is obviously an entirely different story, but that was never in question.
Originally posted by zopzopHis magics are NOT on par with Shuma Gorath(to name one) without some SERIOUS prep/PIS, like you originally tried saying.
His magics are more than up to the task when push comes to shove.
Don't try and red herring your way out of this. Your initial claims were false. 🙂
Originally posted by Blue Area VetUm, Strange later told us WHY the rune magics were that powerful... And that power was PROVEN by Harald's feats. Again: Strange explicitly gauged the rune magics he was up against with Harald(and co.), and knew that it would be suicide for him to try and face them w/o prep. Simple.
That's some Abby-esque shit you are offering, Galan. Different writer, different story and words only. You can't draw any hard conclusions given this weak intel.
A PREPPED Strange vs. Harald(and co.) is obviously an entirely different story, but that was never in question.
...But continue the unwarranted bashing. It's always fun. 🙂
^^^Well blues the same guy that already said sentry wins "no contest" so of course he's going to hate your opinions 😆
Originally posted by Galan007I agree. this seems totally reasonable. 😄
A bothersome trend I'm starting to see with Sentry is that pretty much any of his less-than-peak showings seem to get swiftly hand-waved away by some. No other character is permitted the same treatment, so I'm not sure why Sentry is a special case..?That said, I agree the worm thing is stupid. However, it still happened, and absolutely MUST be considered--especially given the few appearances this iteration of Sentry has. And based on that(along with his other showings), offensive molecule manip./atomization is just not in character for Deathtry. Even if it were, I'm still unconvinced that he could override Harald's magical enchantment/fortification--Sentry has never come across magics nearly that potent, afaik. /shrug
As for who's stronger: I'm still unsure. At first glance, I would argue that Harald brutalized Thor easier(and much moreso) than Deathtry--but it was also under the MAX imprint, so it's bound to be more gruesome/violent than we seen in mainstream books. Catch-22, I guess...
Sentry's biggest advantage -the only one I see potentially helping him here- is flight/speed... But what would happen if he tried to bumrush, and/or spam-blast Harald is anyone's guess. Seems logical that he'd experience massive backlash(akin to when Thor attacked Harald), but again, it's impossible to know for sure.
Point being: contrary to the first few posts in this thread, whoever wins certainly does not do so 'effortlessly'. That's just absurd.