Void vs Death Sentry

How goes this? IMHO, Void is more powerful than Death Sentry and his Void(try) showing vs Molecule Man is key.

Some people blow up the MM showing and it distracts from the discussion. Keep in mind, he didn't have to beat SW level Molecule Man (which I don't believe he did anyway) for this to be an excellent showing.

Molecule Man has gone through several incarnations:
1) couldn't affect organic molecules (pre SW)
2) SW level omnipotent
3) back down to only affecting organic molecules (post SW)
4) Molecule Man unleashed (vs Beyonder he extracted from Kosmos)
5) powered down tp pre SW levels that CAN affect organic molecules (Dark Avengers)
6) Hickman's MM which is current

Void(try) took out a Phase 5 Molecule Man. This dude was more powerful than Phase 1 Molecule Man which did this :

So Void(try) beating him at his own game is damn impressive. Void(try) would matter manip Death Sentry into oblivion.

That is some fairly extensive ABC logic you've worked out.

Originally posted by krisblaze
That is some fairly extensive ABC logic you've worked out.

normal sentry has beaten void though, no...? 😕

Originally posted by leonidas
normal sentry has beaten void though, no...? 😕

Yep. More than once as well. And even more if you count the Silver Age-y stuff.

Isnt the Void just a psychic manifestation of the Sentry though without all the barriers Bob puts on his self? So, it would make sense when Bob wins.

Originally posted by leonidas
normal sentry has beaten void though, no...? 😕

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Yep. More than once as well. And even more if you count the Silver Age-y stuff.

As to the thread, Void(try)'s matter manip was approaching skyfather level (if it already wasn't).

Originally posted by krisblaze
That is some fairly extensive ABC logic you've worked out.

Originally posted by zopzop
Void is Sentry. Sentry is Void. It's like saying Jean Grey 'beat' Dark Phoenix way back in the Dark Phoenix Saga.

As to the thread, Void(try)'s matter manip was approaching skyfather level (if it already wasn't).

I think to be honest Molecule Manip is just more of Voids type of attack considering his personality and his don't give a **** who I hurt and how attitude. Sentry only ever used Molecule Manip very very rarely in a situation when he was in great danger or under pressure. With the Molecule Man fight being a example. Otherwise before he was shit scared of ever going to crazy lest he lets the Void emerge. The Void is as we all know an agent of complete and utter chaos. He will use everything at his disposal because what does he have to lose.

This might be a vague analogy but in Pokemon: The First Movie you have Mewtwo (who is a really powerful creature but he is erratic with his power and does receive some teaching but rebels) then you have Mew (who is calm and stays itself mainly holding back but pretty much equally as powerful if not more). And for our Sentry Void analogy they would represent the 2 Pokemon but in a very slight different way. With it being that they are both 100% equal bar from the Sentry having a greater will to win.

But the Void in complete opposite doesn't have the fear of power and stuff so he does all these things that make him seem like an uber god. I believe for all intents and purposes Sentry and the Void are 51/49 equals. With the only reason Sentry getting an extra point is if he is in a relatively stable condition he just has this extra will, want however you want to call it to win. Which is ultimately what lead him to defeat the Void.

Death Sentry is quite similar to the Void in that he doesn't care about who he hurts as much. But he still has a sense of control. With Death Sentry we have a Sentry with the death seed which has unlocked his mind to his full potential. So while we didn't see all of what he was capable of we saw a snippet and it was really impressive. The Void while not being afraid still lacks key things that the Sentry has (and vice versa).

Death Sentry is like a fusion of the two + his mind has been opened to it's full potential. We could go even more into the abstract and he just appeared so godly (similar to the Void mind you). He's confirmed for being more powerful than every hero on Earth put together. In my opinion I just think he is much more powerful.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
In my opinion I just think he is much more powerful.

What do you think of Void's appearance in What If 200? I know it was an alternate reality, but Void was shown as being much more powerful than any hero on Earth. Void was destroying the planet and was on his way to the moon to kill that universe's version of Uatu who contacted the mainstream 616 version of himself and said he was gonna die soon. IMHO, that reality was showing Void's full potential.

Originally posted by zopzop
So you say : DS > Void?

What do you think of Void's appearance in What If 200? I know it was an alternate reality, but Void was shown as being much more powerful than any hero on Earth. Void was destroying the planet and was on his way to the moon to kill that universe's version of Uatu who contacted the mainstream 616 version of himself and said he was gonna die soon. IMHO, that reality was showing Void's full potential.

Yep I would say so.

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Ah you mean this bit right?

Alternate reality and stuff yeah plus there was some weird things in it. Like they said if "Voidtry" had killed Ares earlier he would have defeated everyone easily as the wound knocked the tar out of him. But all it served to do was break the eggshell that was the Sentry's skin.

Don't forget Sentry was shown in Uncanny Avengers to contain more powerful than every hero on Earth + a bit more.

That's not to say Void is pathetic in comparison to Death Sentry but like I said I think this Sentry is like a fusion of the 2 plus having his full potential unlocked. The thing that makes the Void different is that he is reckless and doesn't care about who he kills. So his shows of power are bound to be a lot more erratic and dangerous.

But all of that didn't help the Void when he faced the Sentry and he got beaten to a pulp and thrown into the Sun. And if the Void faces Death Sentry he's going to meet someone as unafraid as him, as ruthless as him, but he is 10x more controlled, 10x more knowledgeable of the power he possesses. And in some ways I think if he has his mind set on a task he's even more ruthless.

Uatu is such a hypocrite. Didn't he break his vows numerous times? He should've told Atau to do the same and get the f*ck out of there while he still could.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Uatu is such a hypocrite. Didn't he break his vows numerous times? He should've told Atau to do the same and get the f*ck out of there while he still could.

It's like he's doing it to spite him because he's going through a mid life crisis. Wanted to just be a dick to him.

"Don't forget Sentry was shown in Uncanny Avengers to contain more powerful than every hero on Earth + a bit more. "

This is the kind of stuff that makes people shake their heads at Sentry fans 😛

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
It's like he's doing it to spite him because he's going through a mid life crisis. Wanted to just be a dick to him.

Rulk needs to one-shot him again.

Or Human torch

Originally posted by krisblaze
"Don't forget Sentry was shown in Uncanny Avengers to contain more powerful than every hero on Earth + a bit more. "

This is the kind of stuff that makes people shake their heads at Sentry fans 😛

It's something that is shown on panel. If Rogue failed to do what she did and she had all the power I mentioned. And she was "half the equation" then how can you see Sentry as being vastly inferior to her (if you do think he was vastly inferior to Rogue that is).

You say that's what makes people shake their heads at Sentry fans but so far you've been the only person to do so.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Or Human torch

And you're going to avoid the context of that are you?

And Stilt was referring to Uatu not Sentry.

As a few others mentioned in the previous thread Rogue was already doing the majority of the work.

For all we know she was doing 90% of the work and simply needed the extra 10% to complete the job. You can't simply assume that Sentry did more than her.

Sentry was just the spotter.

Originally posted by krisblaze
As a few others mentioned in the previous thread Rogue was already doing the majority of the work.

For all we know she was doing 90% of the work and simply needed the extra 10% to complete the job. You can't simply assume that Sentry did more than her.

Sentry was just the spotter.

She did so much of the work that within a few moments Exitar was going to sink into the Earth like Rogue was making no effect at all.

And a few others said otherwise. Doesn't make either of us any more right in that matter. Mob opinion (on either side) doesn't make something fact.