Originally posted by psycho gundamSorry, just noticed this post. That scene also falls in-line with the notion that exerting force under just one foot of a Celestial can still equally distribute their total mass. 👆
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Originally posted by Galan007So from a purely fictional/in-universe standpoint, exerting force from underneath an individual foot IS evidently an optimal location through which to equally manipulate Exitar's mass. /shrug
That makes no sense.
I was the first one to talk about how Sentry stepped in to lift the other foot of Exitar, but I wish I hadn't done that. From that point on I saw everyone talking about how it's not a big deal to stop one foot.
It's not about the foot. To that foot there is still the weight of the entire celestial attached. It doesn't matter where you lift Exitar, if you still have to lift him. I can grab a 40 LBS barbell at one end of it and lift it. I'll still be lifting the entire 40 LBS and not just 20 LBS, because I'm lifting one side.
Regarding the entire lifting of Exitar incident... There are far too many questions to really talk about it in-depth:
1. It should be clear, that Rogue and Sentry had to stop more weight (force) than just Exitar's planetary weight. Exitar was actively trying to sink into the Earth in order to roflstomp it into the ground, but Rogue and Sentry prevented him from doing so.
I can lift and pull more than I weight. And so can probably Exitar. The question is just how much. Were Rogue and Sentry trying to push the weight of two planets up? Of a solar system? Of the entire universe? We don't know.
2. Who did the actual heavy lifting? I understand the spotter analogy. I lift weights myself, so it's perfectly clear, but by going down that route, you dismiss other stuff which has been mentioned in the comic. Stuff, that can be used to make an argument for the Sentry for doing the heavy lifting.
Rogue was supposed to stop him, but she couldn't. She somewhat managed to slow him down. And from what I remember out of the top of my head, the dialog didn't even imply that she was effectively slowing him down. Iron Man just said, that it didn't work and that Exitar was still sinking down. And then Captain America said, that Rogue was only half of the solution. And that's where the Sentry stepped in.
But then again... I would not be able to lift twice the amount of my one-max-rep. But two of me should be able to lift that amount of weight. And in the case of the comic it took Rogue and Sentry. Two people to lift one celestial. And both were half of the equation.
So I personally believe, that each one of them was lifting 50% of the weight. No matter how questionable it is. It's still the easiest, comic-book-logic explanation, which supports all the parties.
A more questionable incident would be Superman, Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman pulling the Earth. An argument I always saw regarding that, was that each one of them was pulling 33% of the weight. To me that never made sense, since Superman could have been pulling 80% of it and the other two 10% each. We never got numbers, but in the Exitar instance, we did. It was a 50% / 50% effort.
Originally posted by EnzeruEven though I don't subscribe to the opinion myself, it does make sense -- as you seemed to note/agree with in the paragraph(s) below...
That makes no sense.
Originally posted by EnzeruYes. I agree that pushing against Exitar from underneath one of his feet equates to pushing against the entirety of his mass, equally... That's why the spotter theory is sound.
It's not about the foot. To that foot there is still the weight of the entire celestial attached. It doesn't matter where you lift Exitar, if you still have to lift him. I can grab a 40 LBS barbell at one end of it and lift it. I'll still be lifting the entire 40 LBS and not just 20 LBS, because I'm lifting one side.
Again, I'm not arguing here(this isn't my opinion, after all.) I'm just playing devil's advocate, based on what we saw happen on panel then, and what we've seen in instances before that(like the one posted above.) 🙂
