Void vs Death Sentry

And I never said Sentry did more of the work. I believe in the 50/50 argument. My statement about power of every hero then more is based on the fact that Rogue absorbed the power. Tried to stop Exitar then used Hulk's amping ability to further empower herself.

(I've only made this a separate message in case you quote my other message and don't see this one).

Anything I say relating to Sentry having done more of the work is just me occasionally liking to put on my tinfoil hat. Galan would know what I mean with regards to that since he is the recipient of my random ideas.

Your side, however, is using that feat to claim that the Sentry was proven more powerful than every hero on the planet.

It's silly because not only do we know how much more power Rogue needed to stop Exitar, but also because powers don't necessarily stack that well in her. Rogue with the powers of every available hero could far greater or weaker than the total sum of those powers.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Your side, however, is using that feat to claim that the Sentry was proven more powerful than every hero on the planet.

It's silly because not only do we know how much more power Rogue needed to stop Exitar, but also because powers don't necessarily stack that well in her. Rogue with the powers of every available hero could far greater or weaker than the total sum of those powers.

So why did Rogue bother to absorb the power of every hero on Earth if your argument is correct then in your opinion? How does it fit with your thinking?

If that was truly the case then why not just get every hero on Earth to somehow push against Exitar? Not sure of the logistics there but imagination is key here.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
But all of that didn't help the Void when he faced the Sentry and he got beaten to a pulp and thrown into the Sun.

And if the Void faces Death Sentry he's going to meet someone as unafraid as him, as ruthless as him, but he is 10x more controlled, 10x more knowledgeable of the power he possesses. And in some ways I think if he has his mind set on a task he's even more ruthless.

I see Void as Franklin Richards lite : A psionic matter manipulation powerhouse.

I view DSentry as an Eternal on steroids. Monsterous physical stats backed up and augmented by stupendous telekinesis.

That's why IMHO, Void > DSentry.

We really needed to see more from Void(try) though. I was hoping we would have gotten a glimpse during that sh|tastic Secret Wars fiasco, but nothing materialized.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
So why did Rogue bother to absorb the power of every hero on Earth if your argument is correct then in your opinion? How does it fit with your thinking?

If that was truly the case then why not just get every hero on Earth to somehow push against Exitar? Not sure of the logistics there but imagination is key here.

I'm not saying she wasn't more powerful, she obviously was.

I think your argument is getting pretty shaky here. You don't really have anything that refutes

1) We don't know how much more power Rogue needed to slow down Exitar.

2) Rogue having the combined powers of every hero doesn't necessarily make her more powerful than the total sum of those powers.

Originally posted by zopzop

Depends on how you view this. Aren't Void and Sentry the same being? I always saw this as him overcoming his darker self and nothing more.

Again it comes down to how you view these characters.

I see Void as Franklin Richards lite : A psionic matter manipulation powerhouse.

I view DSentry as an Eternal on steroids. Monsterous physical stats backed up and augmented by stupendous telekinesis.

That's why IMHO, Void > DSentry.

We really needed to see more from Void(try) though. I was hoping we would have gotten a glimpse during that sh|tastic Secret Wars fiasco, but nothing materialized. [/B]

I've seen some people that point. If it was only him overcoming his dark self and nothing more then surely in terms of the Marvel Universe surely the Void can't make an impact on anyone in the MU besides from Sentry. Because it would be like a Sentry is Voids Kryptonite and Void is Sentry's Kryptonite thing.

The Void is a physical manifestation of Robert Reynolds dark side who caused all this chaos in SIEGE, Sentry Vol 1 and 2. Fought a huge team that included Inhumans, Namor, some Avengers etc and he was all tangible for them. I don't believe it suddenly changes when he fights the Sentry - that it's suddenly just Sentry fighting off his dark side with no suggestion of him fighting another physical being. I mean during the events leading up to when Sentry was brought back by Bendis up until SIEGE Robert was just getting worse and worse in regards to his mental state which I think is what lead to the Void and the Sentry merging so to speak.

When Sentry is mentally stable (relatively) like in Uncanny Avengers, he becomes his own separate being. And the same in Sentry Vol 1 and 2.

The Sentry himself is a Psionic being by nature from what we see. If anything Death Sentry is the purest example of a Psionic being when it comes to the 3 forms considering he knows his full potential and he even himself acknowledges that his "soul" is what guides him.

It's just like I said the Void is just incredibly reckless in comparison.

Originally posted by krisblaze
I'm not saying she wasn't more powerful, she obviously was.

I think your argument is getting pretty shaky here. You don't really have anything that refutes

1) We don't know how much more power Rogue needed to slow down Exitar.

2) Rogue having the combined powers of every hero doesn't necessarily make her more powerful than the total sum of those powers.

1) Neither do you so that's a moot point. And the only statement I made is that it wasn't enough*

2) Then why did she bother to absorb them when all the heroes on Earth could have hypothetically all pushed against Exitar on one foot.

*And that's made quite clear from the comic that what Rogue possessed in terms of power was doing nothing to stop Exitar. As Tony said Exitar was going to sink in a few moments. Like I said the 50/50 equation seems much more likely.

What if Exitar faced Brexitar instead? biscuits

I think if you read the scene, it's clear that Rogue was using the powers of the other heroes efficiently. It was almost too much for her at first, but that's when she used Hulk's energy to grow *with* the power, instead of fighting it:

I still understand where people are coming from with the 'spotter' analogy, though. It actually does make sense from a certain POV. For example, Rogue could have been doing 90% of the work, but it still wasn't enough to stop Exitar's decent... Then Sentry shows up, exerts an additional 10% of force, and *poof*, Exitar is halted. Anyone who has ever needed a "pinky spot" when lifting weights knows exactly what I'm talking about.

Some people have argued against this by citing 'weight distribution' or w/e, because Rogue was only under one of Exitar's feet, so how could she have been doing more than half the work without noticeably tipping/tilting Exitar's entire person..? But aside from that fact that we're talking about COMICS here, that argument still doesn't really hold up. If Rogue(and the heroes) didn't think that would be a good purchase point through which to slow/stop Exitar as a whole, then they would have told Rogue to push from a more central/core location, like Exitar's dick. 🙂

Aside from that, Sentry flew Exitar's lifeless husk away from earth in the aftermath of the battle. And guess what? He was just exerting said force from under ONE of Exitar's feet as well:

So from a purely fictional/in-universe standpoint, exerting force from underneath an individual foot IS evidently an optimal location through which to equally manipulate Exitar's mass. /shrug

*Again: not saying I agree with that POV, but it does make sense.

Originally posted by Galan007
I think if you read the scene, it's clear that Rogue was using the powers of the other heroes efficiently. It was almost too much for her at first, but that's when she used Hulk's energy to grow *with* the power, instead of fighting it:

I still understand where people are coming from with the 'spotter' analogy, though. It actually does make sense from a certainly POV. For example, Rogue could have been doing 90% of the work, but it still wasn't enough to stop Exitar's decent... Then Sentry shows up, exerts an additional 10% of force, and *poof*, Exitar is halted. Anyone who has ever needed a "pinky spot" when lifting weights knows exactly what I'm talking about.

Some people have argued against this by citing 'weight distribution' or w/e, because Rogue was only under one of Exitar's feet, so how could she have been doing more than half the work without noticeably tipping/tilting Exitar's entire person..? But that argument doesn't really hold up. If Rogue(and the heroes) didn't think that would be a good purchase point through which to slow/stop Exitar as a whole, then they would have told Rogue to push from a more central/core location, like Exitar's dick. 🙂

Aside from that, Sentry flew Exitar's lifeless husk away from earth in the aftermath of the battle. And guess what? He was just exerting force from under ONE of Exitar's feet as well:

So evidently an individual foot IS an optimal location through which to equally manipulate the entirety of Exitar's mass. /shrug

*Again: not saying I agree with that POV, but it does make sense.

The whole logistics of it are odd really. Like even if you were a really strong being surely you can't keep Exitar still unless you can hold both ends of his foot to keep him stable. Because that lifeless Husk would surely tip naturally unless it was supported. And Sentry pales in comparison to Exitar's foot.

But of course it's comics so no point going that indepth to discuss that sort of thing.

At any rate its not conclusive evidence of sentry being more powerful than the combined might of every hero on earth.

Not to mention certain big dogs being absent from earth at the time, like Thor 313

Originally posted by krisblaze
At any rate its not conclusive evidence of sentry being more powerful than the combined might of every hero on earth.

Not to mention certain big dogs being absent from earth at the time, like Thor 313

I to be honest think that if someone else had had Jarnbjorn Thor would have been much better use using one of his more esoteric powers against Exitar.

Couldn't Hyperion have carried it for example.

Was Exitar stomping or just stepping?

Originally posted by bbrem123
Was Exitar stomping or just stepping?

You haven't been around for a while.

And he seemed to be floating/pushing down.

Originally posted by Galan007 Some people have argued against this by citing 'weight distribution' or w/e, because Rogue was only under one of Exitar's feet, so how could she have been doing more than half the work without noticeably tipping/tilting Exitar's entire person..? But aside from that fact that we're talking about COMICS here, that argument still doesn't really hold up. If Rogue(and the heroes) didn't think that would be a good purchase point through which to slow/stop Exitar as a whole, then they would have told Rogue to push from a more central/core location, like Exitar's dick. smile

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
You haven't been around for a while.

And he seemed to be floating/pushing down.

Was just trying to gauge how much force there was.

Yea I know. I just moved to VA and have not been able keep up with comics...need to find a comic book store asap. I feel soooo out of the loop.

Good scan, Gaylan.

It shows DSentry effortlessly flying off with Exitar...alone.

Something that Rogue was unable to do.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Good scan, Gaylan.

It shows DSentry effortlessly flying off with Exitar...alone.

Something that Rogue was unable to do.

Nice try though. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
I think if you read the scene, it's clear that Rogue was using the powers of the other heroes efficiently. It was almost too much for her at first, but that's when she used Hulk's energy to grow *with* the power, instead of fighting it:

I still understand where people are coming from with the 'spotter' analogy, though. It actually does make sense from a certain POV. For example, Rogue could have been doing 90% of the work, but it still wasn't enough to stop Exitar's decent... Then Sentry shows up, exerts an additional 10% of force, and *poof*, Exitar is halted. Anyone who has ever needed a "pinky spot" when lifting weights knows exactly what I'm talking about.

Some people have argued against this by citing 'weight distribution' or w/e, because Rogue was only under one of Exitar's feet, so how could she have been doing more than half the work without noticeably tipping/tilting Exitar's entire person..? But aside from that fact that we're talking about COMICS here, that argument still doesn't really hold up. If Rogue(and the heroes) didn't think that would be a good purchase point through which to slow/stop Exitar as a whole, then they would have told Rogue to push from a more central/core location, like Exitar's dick. 🙂

Aside from that, Sentry flew Exitar's lifeless husk away from earth in the aftermath of the battle. And guess what? He was just exerting said force from under ONE of Exitar's feet as well:

So from a purely fictional/in-universe standpoint, exerting force from underneath an individual foot IS evidently an optimal location through which to equally manipulate Exitar's mass. /shrug

*Again: not saying I agree with that POV, but it does make sense.

You are absolutely right about the foot distribution of weight. This is comics and writers didn't consider that. So we can dismiss that argument.

I argue that the spotting theory is absolutely faulty because there is no indication (or evidence) of it anywhere. If the writer was actually thinking that Sentry only supplied a small portion of the total force then he would have wrote something to show or hint to it.

Remember these characters don't exist and none of this stuff ever happened. So there's nothing to actually measure except what the writer was thinking when he wrote the story. The context clue was "she's only Half of the equation". In my opinion, the writer is clear of what he wants to reader to think. If the writer wanted Sentry to lift a small portion then he would have wrote something along the lines that hints at it. But there's nothing except things that support Sentry supplying half of the force or more.

That's my take anyway.

Originally posted by h1a8
I argue that the spotting theory is absolutely faulty because there is no indication (or evidence) of it anywhere. If the writer was actually thinking that Sentry only supplied a small portion of the total force then he would have wrote something to show or hint to it.

Just pointing out that the spotter analogy makes sense.