Ahsoka Tano vs Hero of Tython

Started by Beniboybling5 pages

Originally posted by Nephthys
It isn't remotely legit. Those episodes were never produced and don't exist, any more than Maul ragdolling Sidious does.
Yet Pablo just said they existed. 😂
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Hm...but then, Canon has it that only things officially published are...well canon right? Those arcs weren't officially published.

I mean fair enough with the Maul fighting Ahsoka since that was referenced in the S2 Finale, but the other things? Not entirely sure, unless it's referenced elsewhere.

Yeah its not official Canon, but again I'd say it holds the same weight as cut content from KOTOR II.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Hm...but then, Canon has it that only things officially published are...well canon right?

I mean fair enough with the Maul fighting Ahsoka since that was referenced in the S2 Finale, but the other things? Not entirely sure, unless it's referenced elsewhere.

They said that stuff will be referenced in the Ahsoka novel.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yet Pablo just said they existed. 😂

No, they showed concept art for things that they were planning on doing but, you know, didn't. Their personal headcanons don't matter unless they actually put them into canon. The scene you're trying to use isn't remotely acceptable.

But ok sure, Sidious gets ragdolled by Maul and his lightning can't kill Ahsoka. I guess he's sub-Arcann now.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
They said that stuff will be referenced in the Ahsoka novel.

Ah.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, they showed concept art for things that they were planning on doing but, you know, didn't. Their personal headcanons don't matter unless they actually put them into canon. The scene you're trying to use isn't remotely acceptable.
Its not personal headcanon lol. Those scenes were informed by Lucas and drawn by Dave, with the full intention of being published in the episodes. That caries infinitely greater weight than your opinion that Ahsoka can't block Vitiate's lighting. Lmao.

The fact that you would dismiss a scene which a member of the story group not only said happened, but described as informing their writing moving forward, is even more ludicrous. 😂

But ok sure, Sidious gets ragdolled by Maul and his lightning can't kill Ahsoka. I guess he's sub-Arcann now.
Except that's been contradicted by another source that states Sidious "never wavered from his position of superiority", so naw.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Irrelevant, they didn't have a Force battle, they dueled. Kenobi was weaker and less able than he once was. And again irrelevant, Kenobi still mentions his degeneration. It's still a thing even at that point. Dude had like an extra 19 years of getting old and rusty as ****.
Obviously your unfamiliar with Force augmentation, look it up lol.

And being a rusty still makes him a considerably better Soresu duelist than the HoT could ever hope to be. Indeed in so far you've raised no proof that he would do as well. mmm

That reminds me, didn't he get his shit pushed in by Arcann? Mmm, yeah.

Hardly. He's the one driving her back at the start of the fight, even knocking her off balance at one point. There wasn't anything decisive about their fight before Maul joined in. But please, support that statement with facts from the fight, I'm all ears.
Lol where.
Absolute cancur. Trying to use non-canon concept art? The air is ripe with shit atm.
I have like a billion quotes saying the Hero > 'Thor and Thor's feats speak for themselves better than not getting murdered by Vader does.
None of which state the Hero to be more powerful in the Force, just a better warrior and the Jedi's "finest." Windu was regarded as the greatest champion of the Jedi Order, it proves nothing.

Wait are you actually suggesting Ahsoka could block Vitiates lightning?

I need to know before I decide to reply.

Originally posted by carthage
Beating Scourge who struggled with factory droids and whose best feat is killing nobodies?

Lol


What a pathetic argument.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Wait are you actually suggesting Ahsoka could block Vitiates lightning?

I need to know before I decide to reply.

Yes I'm actually suggesting Ahsoka is more powerful than Tol ****ing Braga. Lmao.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
That caries infinitely greater weight than your opinion that Ahsoka can't block Vitiate's lighting. Lmao.

Deeply ironic coming from the guy who thinks Avellone's opinion = fact. 🙂

The concept art and stories from the unproduced TCW episodes are Canon.

You think it would come under TCW Legacy? That's a good point actually...

It's no different than the unfinished Kyber Crystal Arc reels, except that we have the full dialogue for those.

It's a lot different, actually.

Pablo says this in regards to the TCW Legacy project:

"Even though those Clone Wars episodes did not get publicly revealed, we still look at their core stories as having happened."

Which is also how the stuff in the Ahsoka's Untold Tales panel is described. So yeah, I wouldn't say its very different at all.

^ Exactly the story group couldn't have made it more clear.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
What a pathetic argument.
😂

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Its not personal headcanon lol. Those scenes were informed by Lucas and drawn by Dave, with the full intention of being published in the episodes. That caries infinitely greater weight than your opinion that Ahsoka can't block Vitiate's lighting. Lmao.

The fact that you would dismiss a scene which a member of the story group not only said happened, but described as informing their writing moving forward, is even more ludicrous. 😂

They weren't published though, and you have no idea if the feat in question would have made it into the episode or if it would have been altered along the way. Its nothing more than a concept that never got made. SW is choked full of them.

They didn't say it happened, they were referring to a completely different event when saying that, you charlatan. When it has a basis in the actual canon, its acceptable. Otherwise its utter bollocks.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Except that's been contradicted by another source that states Sidious "never wavered from his position of superiority", so naw.

Gosh, its almost as if a scene that they'd planned for turned out to not be relevant to the finished product and was a terrible idea or something.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Obviously your unfamiliar with Force augmentation, look it up lol.

And being a rusty still makes him a considerably better Soresu duelist than the HoT could ever hope to be. Indeed in so far you've raised no proof that he would do as well. mmm

That reminds me, didn't he get his shit pushed in by Arcann? Mmm, yeah.

Which I doubt Kenobi could translate his supposed improvement in the Force into, given that he hasn't been practicing dueling and isn't noted to have done anything in that area that would serve to develop his abilities in it. His much weaker body would hold him back far more than any theoretical improved augmentation. Lucas himself says that Kenobi was a less impressive fighter because he was just an "old man" now.

Please, the Hero is comparable to Kenobi is his prime in combat, let alone Ben. You're making the argument yourself that the Hero is combatatively superior to a Jedi who shits apart massive blast doors with one hand while weakened, and clowns ancient Sith empowered by hundreds of Jedi Masters. Given the Hero's growth over the course of the game, she's obviously vastly superior to that incarnation of 'Thor as well. Ben isn't comparable.

Didn't Vader get pushed by Kanan and Ezra? Mmm, yeah.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lol where.

I just told you, fool. I'm sure even you can youtube a video.

Now prove your claim that she was decisively winning.

Originally posted by Beniboybling

The feat isn't valid. It's worse than cut content, this is a complete failure.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
None of which state the Hero to be more powerful in the Force, just a better warrior and the Jedi's "finest." Windu was regarded as the greatest champion of the Jedi Order, it proves nothing.

Scourge states that no other Jedi is strong enough to face Vitiate. Satele also acknowledges that no other Jedi is worth the risk to send to fight Vitiate. And given that the Hero was able to beat the Voice despite being weakened by a powerful nexus, weakened from saving their LI and from fighting through the Imperial Guard and legions of Sith, when even at the end of the fight the Voice was able to shatter the temple... well that speaks for itself how powerful the Hero really is.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yes I'm actually suggesting Ahsoka is more powerful than Tol ****ing Braga. Lmao.

You misunderstand. Braga blocked Vitiates spread out force storm, but I was referring to how the Hero ran through that storm and was then forced back by a direct blast of lightning from Vitiate. It was partially blocked, and merely pushed her back.

Oh Neph. ❌

Originally posted by Nephthys
They weren't published though, and you have no idea if the feat in question would have made it into the episode or if it would have been altered along the way. Its nothing more than a concept that never got made. SW is choked full of them.
Right... did you read the quotes I provided? Evidently not. Dave stated that 95% of the time these sketches would have made it into the final episode lol.
They didn't say it happened, they were referring to a completely different event when saying that, you charlatan. When it has a basis in the actual canon, its acceptable. Otherwise its utter bollocks.
He was referring to Ahsoka's confrontation with Maul, which is yes, depicted in one of those so called throwaway sketches. 😬

He also says in regards to the unpublished story arcs in general, that they consider them to "have happened", so yeah, they make up an internal continuity. 👆

Gosh, its almost as if a scene that they'd planned for turned out to not be relevant to the finished product and was a terrible idea or something.
The 5%, evidently. I think that's what's called the exception, not the rule, lol.
Which I doubt Kenobi could translate his supposed improvement in the Force into, given that he hasn't been practicing dueling and isn't noted to have done anything in that area that would serve to develop his abilities in it. His much weaker body would hold him back far more than any theoretical improved augmentation. Lucas himself says that Kenobi was a less impressive fighter because he was just an "old man" now.

Please, the Hero is comparable to Kenobi is his prime in combat, let alone Ben. You're making the argument yourself that the Hero is combatatively superior to a Jedi who shits apart massive blast doors with one hand while weakened, and clowns ancient Sith empowered by hundreds of Jedi Masters. Given the Hero's growth over the course of the game, she's obviously vastly superior to that incarnation of 'Thor as well. Ben isn't comparable.

So what, he forgot how? Lmao. Regardless I'm not saying that Ben Kenobi > RotS Kenobi, but yeah his increased strength in the Force would have mitigated his physical decline to some extent.

And none of that translates into mastery of Soresu, try again.

Didn't Vader get pushed by Kanan and Ezra? Mmm, yeah.
Is this supposed to be an argument? Lol. That has no bearing on the HoT's gross inferiority to Arcann, where an even wider gap would exist between him and Vader, even wider half a decade prior.
I just told you, fool. I'm sure even you can youtube a video.

Now prove your claim that she was decisively winning.

I watched the youtube video friend, I see nothing. Unless your referring to the part where she's thrown off by his spinny blade trick? If so, ****ing hilarious.

On the other hand we've been over this, towards at the end of the fight the 5th Brother is back-pedalling and Ahsoka is advancing, decisively. Therefore she was winning, decisively. Yet Maul can't claim the same. 👆

Scourge states that no other Jedi is strong enough to face Vitiate. Satele also acknowledges that no other Jedi is worth the risk to send to fight Vitiate. And given that the Hero was able to beat the Voice despite being weakened by a powerful nexus, weakened from saving their LI and from fighting through the Imperial Guard and legions of Sith, when even at the end of the fight the Voice was able to shatter the temple... well that speaks for itself how powerful the Hero really is.
No they don't, they say he is their greatest weapon against him, their best fighter. In a similar vein Jaina Solo was named the Sword of the Jedi, and considered the best weapon against Caedus. Despite someone like Kyp Durron being more powerful in the Force, just not as good a combatant.

And yeah I'm sure it says whatever you want it to say.

You misunderstand. Braga blocked Vitiates spread out force storm, but I was referring to how the Hero ran through that storm and was then forced back by a direct blast of lightning from Vitiate. It was partially blocked, and merely pushed her back.
So what, you have to be a bit stronger than Braga to pull of such a feat? I think Ahsoka qualifies lmao.